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Shame on MWCC management to have banned some of our young players for doing what they like to do best - play cricket.
This is horrific example of how low this league can go to seek revenge. CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP!!
I am sure this will come back to bite you big time. You will repent about it at all times.
Can you explain the loss caused to you or the league by these kids playing in ACC????? You bunch of self-centric, selfish, insensitive, thoughtless, morons.
Have you got your brains misplaced or is it disfunctional that you think and act like cheap retards.
Your exclusivity rule sucks and sucks big time. I am sure this news is going to spread like a wild fire and will engulf you in shame and loss of pride.
Go read your constitution, it says your intent is to promote cricket - you fools...is this how you promote cricket but hitting the future of cricket under the belt.
You losers, you spend time endlessly supporting and inclusion or exclusion of some dumb old cricketer, however you senselessly ban these young cricketers - how dare you.
This is another cheap act of show of your strenght, which is a no-brainer to know that you are CHEAP CHARLIES.
Dont you even have sense, how did you ban Akhil Pathan who is not even a registered player in MWCC? Who do you think you guys are, some sort of GOD - you cheap evils. You guys are a bunch of ill minded rogues who have brought this gentlemens game to disrepute.
Think well, think WHATNEXT DUDE????
Agree with whatznext. Why ban Fahad and Moin from playing MWCC just because they played in ACC. It is a free country and they should be free to play wherever they want. Before we move on, can some one please explain the logic behind the exclusivity rule in the first place? Why do we have an exclusivity rule?
I mean the min. number of league matches to qualify for play offs makes sense because we don't want people hiring others just for the play-offs and upsetting the league balance.
But what is the problem with people playing in other leagues?
I can't believe the management had the nerve to ban players from playing in a different league. They ran their whole election on the promise of lifting this up BS rule and then when elected they not only continue the rule but have the nerve to ban players. Who was banned from the committee when they didn't follow up the promise that got them elected?
We are ruining our leagues reputation by having such BS exclusivity rules. I have heard of no other league that has such rules. We were told we couldn't get enough teams and that's why this rule is still in place now that we are half way through why the ban. We have no teams neither joining nor leaving? We were happy to send our player to Dir 11 in the Cert game because according to our president he wanted to give as many of our player’s exposer as possible now what happened to our fearless leader.
I usually don’t get involved in the politics of the league but this is totally out of control. We voted for the president only because we felt very strongly against this rule and now this same thing happens.
Bleh & Imran: I am glad you have taken time to voice your opinions. This is great.
Let all like minded TEAMS abstain from playing any games till this ban is lifted and this exclusivity rule is abolished.
These set of losers need to be told that democracy can be used not only to put them in office but also to kick them out of it.
A combined moment by all teams across all divisions will ensure that this management will have to toe the line of majority.
You are right, these jerks didnt have any problem in joining hands with Directors XI where we had mixed set of players - so do we ban these mangement folks. Shameless fools.
They dont want to explore why this rule is there at the first place.
Thanks,
Think whatznext dude?
Going back to block archives,
our current Chaddi Leader wrote on June 02, 2008:
http://midwestcricketer.blogspot.com/2008/05/kudos-to-mwcc-team-for-winning-cer-and.html
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Shekhs said...
wow...I missed all of these..
Its totally ridiculous of management to suspend any player based on the participation in CER.
Above all..like Mehul said, abhijeet, a 15 year old aspiring cricketer - instead of patting his back with some prize, they slap a suspension!!
Ludicrous!!!
Adi, I'm with you..on signing a petition or anything that'll help revoke the suspensions (if there are any).
Adnan and Mehul,
Please let me know if I can be of any help.
I think we should all meet and try to come up with a players union.
I dont think I want to play in a league where you are trearted like a bunch of school kids...you have no breathing room..and need to ask permission from your teacher to go to the men's room...totally unaccepatble.
The whole point of having organized cricket at this stage in most of our lives, is to play some good cricket with freedom, not fearing the management..
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Sheks and Adnan,
Can you please explain what has changed so much? Fahd is about 10x better than abhijeet as far as talent is concerned but you think it's OK to ban him?
This management should be sacked right away!!
Thanks for bringing this up Billoger...these log headed fools need to be put out of business immediately.
please call for a referendum and throw them out for their double standars and this is not just one of them. there are tons of them i which fortunately i have access to.
All like minded teams need to work together and send them out, stop playing till these guys quit office - IMMEDIATELY
Think whatznext dude?
I agree with you all regarding the ban of those players. This management promised to abolish the league exclusivity rule in their campaign. I was okay with them keeping this issue on the back burner for now as there were many other pressing issues that had to be taken care of before getting to the league exclusivity rule.
But banning players, and that too youngsters who are just looking for more opportunities to play, is just plain rubbish.
There is no point in us bitching about it on the blog. How many of you are with me in lodging a serious protest on this? We can start of with "playing under protest" this weekend by doing the following:
1. Wear black ribbons while playing on the ground.
2. Plant a few placards on the boundary line saying "Playing under protest". Creative people can come up with more placard ideas.
3. DO NOT update the scorecards for this week (just update who won and the team totals so that the points table doesn't get affected)
I understand these might be just symbolic moves, but let's start somewhere instead of just complaining on this blog.
If the management still remains adamant about banning these players, we'll take up even more serious steps. This is OUR league and let's not allow a handful of pin heads ruin it.
Midwest: Your thoughts are fine and very decent. However, these pin head as you rigthly termed them.
However this this leagues heads dont understand these symbolic gestures.
We need to pull our plugs immediately and kick them out of their office - period.
All teams need to show some urgency in this matter and stop playing starting this week onwards.This needs to be communicated to thse fools by email.
Secondly call for their quitting the office enmass.
Let them think whatznext dude?
Can someone tell who else plays for ACC? Looks like only players from "pro Taiq" teams are banned (FLAMES, BEARS and AAA).
Havent players from other teams (even Challengers) played in ACC as well?
Fahd/ Moin got banned for playing one game...How come the league allowed Akhil Pathan, who is a regular ACC player to play in 4 night games?
Sounds to me that the mnmgmnt didnt care who played in ACC and the moment they say it was Tariq's team's players they decided to Ban just a few of them.
This just seems very personal against Tariq to ban Fahd and Moin. How can Mr Sheks talk about Rawarding Abhijeet Joshi for playing well for ACC and slam a ban against Fahd/Moin? This is just personal revenge and peak of Desi dirty Politics!!
Thats very pitty and I think teams need to wake up else whoever will go against mgmnt, they will have some punishment coming up.
I think we should keep a counter of all the Fups this mgmnt has done:
1) Graddige Balls
2) Night cricket lights out
3) Poor conditions of ground, grounds look like corn fields
4) Bad selection in CER
5) Horrible stay conditions in CER tournament
6) Second bad batch of balls. Order given to Nippon since he plays for United.
7) Personal revenge against Fahd/Moin to ban them
IS THIS THE CHANGE WHICH WAS PROMISED???
Billogers: This is just the tip of iceberg of the double standards Mr. Sheik and his cronies are up to. These jokers have committees for CER, for grounds for youth and I am not sure what these freaking jokers are doing.
There are tons and tons of such illogical things they have done.
They just dont deserve to be in the office any more - they have lost the moral standing to govern office. Shame Shame buppy shame
Think whatznext dude!!
First the management shut down the blog when they ran out of answers
Then they create two separate blogs and begin to ignore the blog where people ask questions
Now they start deleting comments..
Way togo Nazis
Billoger,
Management doesn't own or run this blog.
The blog administrators didn't create two separate blogs - we created two separate threads to enable both sets of comments.
As for "management" folks ignoring your comments, you'll have to ask them about that.
No one is trying to delete your comments. Keep them on the right thread, and you're free to talk about whatever you want. We've had many requests to separate political topics from general week-to-week discussions because one side ends up dominating. So, if anyone posts general discussions here, we'll delete those comments from here as well.
We can't move comments easily from one thread to the other, that is why we have to remove them.
Where were you when Bakshi was suspended and then was requested to write an apology letter.
Where were you when Joshi was not picked for CER and then suspended becuase he played cer from Acc side.
Where were you when there was no Cer participation at all for 8 years under pervious mgmt.
Where were you when only Tariqs buddies use to play CER.
Cer purpose is to showcase young talent. Not to play older Folks like sohail who already have palyed USA and have no future. What did the past mgmt accomplish by winning CER tournaments.
Where were you when a Tariqs buddy use to play La Open on leauges expense and loose every match.
Where were you when the past mgmt deliberatley postponed the elections. 3 weeks to get the leauge together. Thats a joke.
Where were you when old mgmt use to pay for Tariq's flights, car rental, phone bills, lunches etc.
Where were you when you were given an annual report filled with false numbers and no reciepts to back them up with.
Where were you when it took previosu mgmt ten years to get good cricket balls.
Where were you when pervious mgmt had over 12k to order new balls.
They knew they were going to loose the elections and wanted to make the new mgmt look bad on purpose.
Grays balls take 4 months to get ready stamped and deliverd.
If the previsous mgmt was so sincere to the leauge they would have never put the current mgmt in this position.
Where were you when teams had to travel for hours just to come and find out grounds are water logged. There have been very few teams who had to suffer this tragedy so far.
Where were you when previous mgmt didn't secure grounds for long term.
The only good thing Tariq did to fix his screw up, was by enforcing the rule for not letting players play in ACC. Midwest lost heritage park last year for 5 weeks. This year 9 weeks. If you keep giving them players they will need more grounds. Whats next we already have lost ground one to them, heritage and then Hanover. WHERE WILL BE PLAY? Should Midwest keep paying and looking for new grounds. Fahad and Moin had been breaking this rule for past years and getting away with it. I happy to see action taken against them.
If you love to play for ACC where there are no elections or proper mgmt then keep playing there. Don't bring there garbage to us.
There are other leauges such as Icml,temple,abbot etc etc. Midwest doesn't stop anyone from playing there. Since they don't come after our grounds.
Now look back and think where were you morons. I guess busy sucking it up or bending?????
This is the Change my team voted for.
Proper schdule, good accounting, better communication from leauge officials.
Balls are bad but, i can't give them 100% blame.
New mgmt is not perfect by any means but alot better the past.
Mr. Moron: That seems to be ur last name right? I symapthize with u for the effort u take, man is this what u guys could collectively come up. Once again put the election manifesto. Are you already planning for the next election after referndum?? Too much ground and goodwill has been lost.
Shame guys, I am sure u mgmt folks can come up with something better than this.
I liked your DISCLAIMER at the bottom "New mgmt is not perfect by any means but a lot better than the past"
Do you realize what "by any means" mean, ha ha, guys u r a bunch of unfit blokes.
Where were u buddy all this time when the grocery list u have stated were happening, go ask urselves.
The previous management's blunders is not a licence for you to commit disasters - u guys needs to grow up and come out of the closet!
U seriously hv a kindergardener approach to ur responses, I am sure most of us would have been retired by the time u realize your follies. Grow up my friend - dont ask where were you!!
That question can be asked to you
Where were you when earth was formed
Where were u when cricket started as game
Where were u when MWCC was formed
common man give a break, these kind of intelligent idiotism has no space in this blog.
There are few good blokes in the management no doubt, however there is no leadership, there is no will, there is no committment, there is no direction, there is no vision, there is no mission !! The only thing this management has is an inflated ego and larger than life image they wish to create of themselves. They have become a laughing stock everywhere. WoW great achievement this.
Trust me, the last and only good thing this management did for itself was to win election - the rest is better unsaid!!
Grow up and think whatznext dude?
This is my personal over view on leauges..
It’s time to rejuvenate leagues attitude in Chicago land area and bring all cricketing passion into one plat form. Our next generation should not walk on this and feel this rivalry. Please think more positively and step ahead to take this game to next generations.
In 2004, when I went to practice with some other team near to my home they didn’t allowed me to practice because I am belongs to Suburban CC and it’s a MCC team, I felt really bad. They are in a impression that I will take way this ground and handover to MCC.
Last Sunday when we played against MWCA, I am so pleased with young kids attitude towards the game , the way they handled situation and response they have taken on their shoulders. We should not discourage these kids and allow them to play other leagues too which will allow them to face the different game plans and tune their talent.
These kids do not have enough maturity to think about political stunts. Even, I have no clue on this issue with ACC until some in my team told me the rivalry history between MCC Vs. ACC back in 2004. Here we are basically passing the hate rate to one generation to another generation. This was not changed since I was entered to Chicago land and discussion still continuing on this rule. What I have observed is if we start implementing this rule very strictly teams in leagues is going to hurt badly in long run.
As a player, when we committed to play for one league we should obey leagues’ all rules. This realization should come from player side.
My option on current issue,
UNDER 19 players should not fall under this ACC an exclusivity rule. Because, they are future of USACA and most importantly we should not spoil their mind set.
From 2007, I played for ACC for 3 years. Reason why I am bringing this point is in both leagues have very good young talent and Leagues attitude should leverage to explore more talent then restricting them especially for kids. I have seen young players playing very good in ACC and excel lot who are used to play for SuburanCC and unable to play MCC due to this rule.
And Conducted inter-leagues in Chicago land to bring back All talent at one stage and be first league to bring back sprint of cricket at one stage.
Ravi: Your points are fine in a perfect world!! People like us are strictly against such barbaric acts of fanatism by our management.
The bottom line is we are weak at our knees, the fact that ACC has no problem in our players playing there shows the maturity of their league.
However our successive cowardice by managements have resulted in fearing the worst. We dont have it in us to go and retain our grounds, this is like a kid holding on to choclate and hiding it from its father who bought it at the first place.
The jokers neither have the courage to retain the old ground weekage nor do they have in them to go and procure new grounds.
The fun is if somebody decides to complain againts MWCA with all the park districts quoting the website and the injustice being metted out, these guys are going to be taken to task. They will loose even the current set of grounds.
This is a leadership issue, when leaders dont have the courage in their belly, when they feel insecure, when they feel threatened then they resort to such cheap jingoism.
The are tigers in the boardroom and pussy cats when it comes to dealing with issues. Please again I am only targeting the leadership not the good souls around.
So again we will see more and more such happenings as long as these guys meekishly stand, the loser is MWCC.
These idiots speak about loss of ground, true leaders should speak of loss of talent. We have lost Abhijit Joshi to ACC, it will not be late before when they loose Moin, Fahad and a bunch of their supporters.
As it is we are incapabalbe of winning CER - utter shame; thanks to the collective wisdom of the FOD and his selectio committee. When the talent drain happens it will be great fun.
Second division is in tatters, they have no clue how to handle this. Grounds conditions are pathetic and look like farms in few places. Umpiring allocation also looks extremely biased, with the umpire writing laurels of the management team.
Challengers have great team no doubt about it and nobody questions it. However when an umpire and selector resorts to these kinds of flattery it is alarming - beware opposition. Management Team + Select Umpire = defeat for the opponent.
So we can never expect direct responses nor solution, this league will go to dogs under this egoistic management who has great sense to dress and no clue to address issues...
Think whatznext dude?
Whatznext you seem to have some logic but you have no idea how badly this leauge was being run. I agree cricket is the biggest looser by suspending someone for breaking the Acc rule. However you say new mgmt has no leadership skillz etc etc. How much time has been given to them to prove themselves. They promised a new ground lets see when it will be ready to use.
My team has yet to play in corn fields.
Mwcc has the best talent and you will see it will grow even more next year. Asher,Bakshi came back to play in MWcc y?
Acc didn't even send a team to CER cuz there president got into it with Masood Chick. Who is the looser there?
You keep talkin about issues, what issues are there beside bad balls that have affected your cricket season.
Have you or ur teammate contacted anyone on a personal level rahter then blog?
I am not here to fight or take shots at previous or current mgmt.
I am reminding you of facts that you might have forgotten over the past decade.
Challengers are a good team yes they win. So r you saying mg is winning becuase of umpires?
Sadiq umpired 3 of there games and they lost all 3??? They were in playoffs last year and won title 3 years ago.
Is this why ST.Louis is loosing this year.
You have no facts to back up ur false allegations.
I pointed out all FACTS to you however you seem to over look them and keep saying whatznext dude.
Whatznext is fine and dandy but How we got here is the real? Who is responsible for Div2 & Acc rule.
Its like asking Obama fix the economy over nite when Bush Fuked it bigtime for past 8 years. Previous mgmt took the blog of there site?? y???
More people wanted change and therefore we got it. If these guys are as bad as u think just don't vote for them. Two years you have to suffer:(
You talk about vision yet, you can't look beyond how the mgmt dresses? lol comon bro It can't hurt you that much.
Anyhow we all have the right to voice our opinions and we shall continue to do soo:) Calling people names with hidden identity is truly coward on your part. WE know who the pres and his cabinet. They don't know us:(
You should start a reform and run for office if you think you can do this thankless job better.
I will be thinking where were you??
Mr. Moron: Thanks for your lengthy discourse and somewhere inbetween you have disclosed yourself as one among or somebody close to the current setup.
I am not talking about Umpires being biased, i am talking about how an umpire who has to be neutral writes praises the team that has management folks! Mind u he is the selector also. So dont give room to speculation, instead try out new umpires. Challenger is too good a team that simply does not need any Umpire's support. They are a great force, I did tell that too. But you ignored the facts i state.
As regards Dress - u understood as the costume they wear, now this is your ignorance which i cant help. Dress here refers to dressing up (covering up, glossing up) all the issues without addressing it. How do i care what they wear off the field for that matter anybody, they need to wear white on-field and conduct as gentlemen on and off the field period.
Your attitude is evident when you say SUFFER for two year! My dear management friend, management is of the team, by the teams and for the teams - not any exclusive privilege. If all teams decide to pull out, or force a referendum then you are back to blogs as you are used to.
I don't know how you draw parallel between Obama/Bush and TA/SA. I again repeat just because the previous management messed it up, it does not give you guys license to hide behind it and cry like kids - they they the previous management. So this means you lack maturity and also that you have done little or know due dilligence. I don't understand how did you guarantee change without knowings the facts - again lip service - pure dressing!!
Running for office, if I will , but at the right time at the right place with the right set of like minded people, but rest assured I will solve issues, address concerns, work with teams, seek inputs, most of all I will respect each one of them and treat them equally and as professionals and conduct business with water tight compliance and governance model. Likewise create positive visibility for the the league and its players surely not for its management!! I will leave the office when people ask "why" and not "why not". It took 10 years for the previous management to be replaced, however your current management has lost its popularity in less than 10 months!!
They spoke about CHANGE, and CHANGE is all the next management will be left with!!
What this league needs is not CHANGE, but RESULTS! RESULTS in all aspects of the game and governance.
Go back and do some whiteboarding, I have given enough for you to work with.
Think whatznext dude?
Mr. Moron: You have lost it...lost it big time. I am surprised that after reading gigabytes of complaints in these blogs; suffering some of them personally you are still asking me to get my head out of my boony...
Dont give up, so soon and surrender to pressures, it is bad for health and for the league.
"Remember when wealth is lost nothing is lost, when health is lost something is lost but when character is lost everything is lost." I say this because with every post your quality is deterioating and your choice of words/language is rotting brining your true character out. Not convinced read the quote again!!
Instead look at real issues by reading this and the archives, but for doing that you neeed to have your head and brain in the right place. Do you, will you?
I belong to just one side the side of the right and the righteous!!
Think whatznext dude?
Mr Sheks,
I found an old arvhive where you mentioned so much support for players to play in ACC as we pay to play...especially Abhijeet Josh.
I will ask again, why are you of different opinion now?
Were you wrong then or are you wrong now?
You or none of your buddies mentioned in your post BELOW is answering?
Shall i call you Chadi leader or Aslee Paree ka Dhaga?
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http://midwestcricketer.blogspot.com/2008/05/kudos-to-mwcc-team-for-winning-cer-and.html
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Shekhs said...
wow...I missed all of these..
Its totally ridiculous of management to suspend any player based on the participation in CER.
Above all..like Mehul said, abhijeet, a 15 year old aspiring cricketer - instead of patting his back with some prize, they slap a suspension!!
Ludicrous!!!
Adi, I'm with you..on signing a petition or anything that'll help revoke the suspensions (if there are any).
Adnan and Mehul,
Please let me know if I can be of any help.
I think we should all meet and try to come up with a players union.
I dont think I want to play in a league where you are trearted like a bunch of school kids...you have no breathing room..and need to ask permission from your teacher to go to the men's room...totally unaccepatble.
The whole point of having organized cricket at this stage in most of our lives, is to play some good cricket with freedom, not fearing the management..
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Billoger,
Since you ask....I'll answer...
Personally I still would like folks to play all over the place. ACC or any other league. I hate to control folks from playing or doing whatever they want.
But, when we have a rule, we have to abide by that. Its not because I enjoy suspending anybody. I honestly dont. I think its wrong to suspend anybody, when folks pay to play. But, a rule is a rule. Why is Person A sticking by the rule and person B breaking it.
We have a rule in place, no matter the reason why its in place, everybody has to follow the rule.
So, you be the judge bud....call me hypocritic or whatever you want. I do whats right for the league....even if I have to take a bullet for it...
My goal is not to please everybody and win the next election...my goal is to run the league defined by our by laws and rules..
Shekhs said...
Since you ask....I'll answer...
So, let me understand back then you were griping about how Ludicrous this league was to suspend youngster because you were not involved in the league. The rule was still there but you never supported it the way you are supporting it now. Something changed now in your thought processing that you are so adamant about the rule now. This clearly tells the clarity in your statements that one day is different then other days. The bottom line is that rule was there at that time but you never cared so much.
There is a huge controversy in your statements “I don’t think I want to play in a league where you are treated like a bunch of school kids...you have no breathing room. And need to ask permission from your teacher to go to the men's room...totally unacceptable”.
It is so sad that you are doing the same thing.
I am not sure if you actually followed the rules and regulations from day 1. Let me remind you some.
1. Titans vs. Rogers park. Players violations but no action taken except apology
2. Illinois vs. Hammond and Arena vs. Jaguars games moved on the same day – no action taken except apology
3. Rup has been drinking during the game but no action is taken.
Let’s be consistent what you believe in.
Aditya
I am sure Aditya that you will not find these garbage comments made by your friend where_were_you_morons indecent since this moron is favoring this incompetent management. You will not see any of the foul language being used and you will not have guts to delete it as well. However, if it was written either by me or any anti-management person then it will be screened closely and deleted the minute it is posted. This is really absurd.
Mr President,
Thanks for your explanation, and it's really good to know that you are following the rules!
But my question is, why were you so much against previous management when they were following the same rule by suspending Abhijeet Joshi and United players? While now yourself is suspending players? What has changed so much besides you coming to power?
How come Mr Adnan is quiet on this issue? He went as far as Cricinfo to cry ban of Abhijeet Joshi?
Was there something special about Abhijeet Joshi and United Players which is not present in these 5 players suspended?
Looks like simply biased decisions, when it's your own side, players from United you will support them and when it's people from Flames, Bears, AAA you will suspend them immediately.
Good to know you are president and you will do whatever you like.
Oh and dont forget to make sure Sadiq Yosaf is umpiring ALL the United and Challenger games. I hear he is doing a really good job at not giving any decisions against teams who made him Chief Selector!
Mr Moron,
Your questions are so simple that I laughed while answering them. But for sake of everyone, i think people should know the FACTS, so here you go:
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Where were you when Bakshi was suspended and then was requested to write an apology letter.
LIKE YOUR PRESIDENT SAID, THEY WERE FOLLOWING RULES
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Where were you when Joshi was not picked for CER and then suspended becuase he played cer from Acc side.
LIKE YOUR PRESIDENT SAID, THEY WERE FOLLOWING RULES.
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Where were you when there was no Cer participation at all for 8 years under pervious mgmt.
YOU PARTICIPATE, AND YOU WILL KNOW
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Where were you when only Tariqs buddies use to play CER.
Cer purpose is to showcase young talent. Not to play older Folks like sohail who already have palyed USA and have no future. What did the past mgmt accomplish by winning CER tournaments.
YOU CALL MAHESH, NILESH, RAVI, BHAVESH, AS YOUNG??? YOU SENT THEM TO WIN BUT THEY LOST
AT LEAST WITH SOHAIL, TEAM USED TO WIN
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Where were you when a Tariqs buddy use to play La Open on leauges expense and loose every match.
TUSHAR, BHAVESH, NILESH, DAX, ASMAR, RUP, MADHU, AJIT...DO YOU CALL THEM TARIQ'S BUDDIES?
ARE YOU OFF YOUR MEDS TO EVEN ASK THIS? SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU ARE ADITYA.
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Where were you when the past mgmt deliberatley postponed the elections. 3 weeks to get the leauge together. Thats a joke.
LEAGUE WAS TOGETHER, DONT THINK IT IS TOGETHER ANYMORE SINCE YOU CAME.
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Where were you when old mgmt use to pay for Tariq's flights, car rental, phone bills, lunches etc.
WHERE ARE YOU WHEN ALL YOUR MGMNT BUDDIES WENT TO CER TOURNAMENT AND LIVED ON LEAGUE'S EXPENSES? ANYBODY CAN MAKE A CLAIM KIDDO, DO YOU HAVE A PROOF?
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Where were you when you were given an annual report filled with false numbers and no reciepts to back them up with.
HAVE YOU ASKED FOR RECEIPTS? WASNT IT BECAUSE OF RECEIPTS SHOWED THAT THE JUDGE TOSSED OUT YOUR ADNAN'S LAW SUIT?
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Where were you when it took previosu mgmt ten years to get good cricket balls.
YOU MUST BE NEW TO LEAGUE, LEAGUE HAS HAD GOOD BALLS SINCE I CAN REMEMBER. THE Ca BALLS WERE USED BEFORE GRAYS AND THEY WERE 100X BETTER THAN YOUR GRADDIGE AND nIPPON JOSHI BALLS.
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Where were you when pervious mgmt had over 12k to order new balls.
They knew they were going to loose the elections and wanted to make the new mgmt look bad on purpose.
Grays balls take 4 months to get ready stamped and deliverd.
THE NEW BALLS WERE ORDERED AND WERE READY TO BE SHIPPED, WHEN YOU CAME TO POWER YOU GAVE IT TO YOUR PREFERRED VENDORS (AKA nIPPON JOSHI) AND SINCE YOU FAILED, YOU BLAME IT ON EX MGMNT.
ASSUME, EVEN IF XMGMNT FAILED TO ORDER, WHY DINT YOU COME TO POWER AND ORDER RIGHT AWAY INSTEAD OF GIVING ORDERS TO ADNAN'S PETS?
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Where were you when teams had to travel for hours just to come and find out grounds are water logged. There have been very few teams who had to suffer this tragedy so far.
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN PEORIA, PURDUE HAD TO TRAVEL TO CHICAGO TO FIND OUT GROUNDS FULL OF WATER THIS SEASON?
YOU ARE JUST A moronnnnn!!!
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Where were you when previous mgmt didn't secure grounds for long term.
THEY WERE, IT WAS YOUR CHADDEE LEADERS FAV MASOOD CHIK WHO KEPT COMING AFTER THEM.
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None of your questions above carried any weight my dear, they all have answers in front.
You should be ashamed to even raise these questions.
I will wait to see what you come back with. Until then, go get the corn out of your chaddi which seems to be stuck their by playing in Hanover Park corn field.
suck it,
Which comment do you refer to? I noticed that one comment was deleted by the blog admin - is it that one? I have just read all the comments, and so far they are all acceptable - even though one was barely acceptable.
I don't spend all my time on this blog. When I notice something unacceptable, I delete it. But there are times that it may be on for a little bit. If you have a concern, send the blog admins an email and we'll get to it as soon as possible.
where were u.....
There was one comment about Bush / Obama and the economy where you misspelled a particular abusive word. I have allowed it for now because it wasn't intended at any particular person, and your post focused on something else, but next time please select your words more carefully. Spelling errors are not an acceptable defense for abusive language.
First of billoger i wasen't adressing any questions to you, But u are whatznext left u know what!!! I will reply to you but make sure u share it with him while suck it up is with busy u know doing what???
Why r u complaining about suspension if Shekhs followed the rules just like tariq did. Wait you say he was against it before now he is for it. Big deal think whatznext dude. He is following the rules to bad ur team sucked at it and now ur teammates are suspended.
Where were you when there was no Cer participation at all for 8 years under pervious mgmt.
YOU PARTICIPATE, AND YOU WILL KNOW
is this the best reply you can come with WHO is the moron here u bozo. The leauge never particiapted.
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YOU CALL MAHESH, NILESH, RAVI, BHAVESH, AS YOUNG??? YOU SENT THEM TO WIN BUT THEY LOST
AT LEAST WITH SOHAIL, TEAM USED TO WIN
First of all none of guys u mentioned fainted and had to leave the game like Sohail did earlier this season. So they are in better shape then ur EX VP get ur facts.
Where were you when a Tariqs buddy use to play La Open on leauges expense and loose every match.
TUSHAR, BHAVESH, NILESH, DAX, ASMAR, RUP, MADHU, AJIT...DO YOU CALL THEM TARIQ'S BUDDIES?
ARE YOU OFF YOUR MEDS TO EVEN ASK THIS? SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU ARE ADITYA.
Reply to me where where u when every match was lost. Yes they are still buddies and what did they accomplish in LA. Didn't win one tournament. While the president got drunk of the field.
I am Aditya's evil twin live with it.
LEAGUE WAS TOGETHER, DONT THINK IT IS TOGETHER ANYMORE SINCE YOU CAME.
Let me count to 21 for you more people wanted ur ex mgmt out. Can you count to 21. Dont know if u need to think to 21.
Where were you when old mgmt use to pay for Tariq's flights, car rental, phone bills, lunches etc.
WHERE ARE YOU WHEN ALL YOUR MGMNT BUDDIES WENT TO CER TOURNAMENT AND LIVED ON LEAGUE'S EXPENSES? ANYBODY CAN MAKE A CLAIM KIDDO, DO YOU HAVE A PROOF?
Read the budget presented by them under Administration expense over 10,000. There is no claim kiddo its a fact learn to read a budget.
Where were you when it took previosu mgmt ten years to get good cricket balls.
YOU MUST BE NEW TO LEAGUE, LEAGUE HAS HAD GOOD BALLS SINCE I CAN REMEMBER. THE Ca BALLS WERE USED BEFORE GRAYS AND THEY WERE 100X BETTER THAN YOUR GRADDIGE AND nIPPON JOSHI BALLS.
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THE NEW BALLS WERE ORDERED AND WERE READY TO BE SHIPPED, WHEN YOU CAME TO POWER YOU GAVE IT TO YOUR PREFERRED VENDORS (AKA nIPPON JOSHI) AND SINCE YOU FAILED, YOU BLAME IT ON EX MGMNT.
ASSUME, EVEN IF XMGMNT FAILED TO ORDER, WHY DINT YOU COME TO POWER AND ORDER RIGHT AWAY INSTEAD OF GIVING ORDERS TO ADNAN'S PETS?
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Show proof of order and payment by previous mgmt and i will shut up for rest of season. Seems like u miss being tariq's pet to me.
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN PEORIA, PURDUE HAD TO TRAVEL TO CHICAGO TO FIND OUT GROUNDS FULL OF WATER THIS SEASON?
YOU ARE JUST A moronnnnn!!!
Where were you when teams had to travel for hours just to come and find out grounds are water logged. There have been very few teams who had to suffer this tragedy so far.
can u read the second sentence. i guess not. Makes u feel like a bigger moron!!! keep showing ur ignorance.
Where were you when previous mgmt didn't secure grounds for long term.
THEY WERE, IT WAS YOUR CHADDEE LEADERS FAV MASOOD CHIK WHO KEPT COMING AFTER THEM.
Y did your migid leader pick a fight
Size matters Masood Chik is powerfull and nothing wrong with joining forces with UN.
Tariq's personal issues kept hurting the leauge. I am surprise your def and dumm to write those pathetic answer.
I guess kutay ki dum 100 sal bhee teri he hoti hay. Rassi gal gaye bal nahee gaya. WE RULE and u don't lol. Come back with more drama. Kiran and Sohail have more venom left i am sure.
Billoger,
Since you mentioned me in your rantings, let me correct/support some of the things you said:
1. Where were you when Joshi was not picked for CER and then suspended becuase he played cer from Acc side.
LIKE YOUR PRESIDENT SAID, THEY WERE FOLLOWING RULES.
I remember this incident - Abhijit played for ICML. He did not play for ACC. The suspension was inconsistent because of that simple fact.
2. Where were you when a Tariqs buddy use to play La Open on leauges expense and loose every match.
TUSHAR, BHAVESH, NILESH, DAX, ASMAR, RUP, MADHU, AJIT...DO YOU CALL THEM TARIQ'S BUDDIES?
ARE YOU OFF YOUR MEDS TO EVEN ASK THIS? SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU ARE ADITYA.
Whoever that is, it is not me. Crazy rants are more your domain, not mine.
3. Where were you when old mgmt use to pay for Tariq's flights, car rental, phone bills, lunches etc.
WHERE ARE YOU WHEN ALL YOUR MGMNT BUDDIES WENT TO CER TOURNAMENT AND LIVED ON LEAGUE'S EXPENSES? ANYBODY CAN MAKE A CLAIM KIDDO, DO YOU HAVE A PROOF?
This was clearly stated by the previous management in their Financial statements, and when asked to explain, they said this was the case. It's not a "claim", it's a known fact now.
4. Where were you when you were given an annual report filled with false numbers and no reciepts to back them up with.
HAVE YOU ASKED FOR RECEIPTS? WASNT IT BECAUSE OF RECEIPTS SHOWED THAT THE JUDGE TOSSED OUT YOUR ADNAN'S LAW SUIT?
The lawsuit wasn't tossed because of receipts being shown. It was tossed on a different technicality - the fact that the league was not a public (not for profit) organiztion, it was a private institution and thus there was no case to demand receipts. In fact, it wasn't even a registered organization, it was more like an adhoc group not legally registered, thus the court had no jurisdiction.
5. Where were you when it took previosu mgmt ten years to get good cricket balls.
YOU MUST BE NEW TO LEAGUE, LEAGUE HAS HAD GOOD BALLS SINCE I CAN REMEMBER. THE Ca BALLS WERE USED BEFORE GRAYS AND THEY WERE 100X BETTER THAN YOUR GRADDIGE AND nIPPON JOSHI BALLS.
The balls were pretty bad between 2005-2008. It was only after that election and the focus Jaggi put on the balls that change happened and the balls improved. The balls were pretty good in 2008 and 2009. This year, the Grade-A balls were not as good as the 2008/2009 balls, but the second batch was terrible.
Keep it real, and try not to assume stuff. It's a difficult way to live life and you'll never be happy.
Aditya you the man!!!! Share them facts but these morons will keep crying.
NEW MGMT RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go chadee leader for life!!!!
Where were you....,
C'mon, don't go after Sohail's fitness because he fainted. It could have been due to many different causes. He's a pretty fit guy and he still scores centuries - especially given that he is a little older than us. And he's a good player - no doubt. St Louis gets pretty hot in summer - a little warmer than Chicago.
I don't think it's fair to go after him like that. He's a lot fitter than quite a few "younger" guys in our league.
Ravi,
Suspensions are always bad, but there are certain rules that we all abide by in playing for this league. No one, no matter what position they hold, what team they play for, or how good they are, is above these rules. So, if you break them, then you are asking for punishment.
But there is a deeper issue that whatsnext, Shekhs, and others have brought up. Why do we have this league exclusivity rule? We have it because the bigger the ACC becomes, the more they go after our grounds. They are the only league that does this, so we have this rule in place only for them.
To prevent this, we as a league need to do the following:
1. Secure our grounds
2. Acquire new grounds
3. Setup some sort of formal/informal agreement with the ACC.
4. Positions ourselves to hit them hard if they come after any of our assets.
Once we have achieved the 4 points above, then we can remove this rule and allow our players to play anywhere.
To be fair, they need some time to do this - and we should give them time. It's not fair to expect this in 3-4 months during the season. If we don't see results in a year or so, then we must demand the change that was promised.
So, while you and whatznext have brought up some valid points, I think we differ on timelines. Give them some time to do the right thing. If not, then they deserve the criticisms.
Adi: I am in agreement with you, albeit partially.
We may differ in timelines, but then when there is ambiguity, we keep the rule in suspension not the players.
The right leadership would have been to try and communicate that are we suspending this rule for this season and this season ONLY.
This would have made the Management looks mangnonimus and could have won some hearts, instead you suspended the players calling for the wrath.
Leadership is all about going to undefined territories and leaving a trail for the rest to follow. But unfortunately, the leadership here is following the trail left behind by the prv. management.
There is absolutely lack of thinking off the feet. I can excuse trying and failing, what i cant excuse is never trying. This is my simple philosphy.
This management said CHANGE, teams believed and vote. Now when they see the CHANGE is only from BAD to WORSE! That is not change nor progress it is degradation.
What is league needs is RESULT. RESULT in GAME and GOVERNANCE.
For that to happen, the leadership should think out of box, but they refuse to come out of their box and prefer to rot until nailed!!
Folks like Mr. Moron can type the manifesto million time, but it will not be worth a penny, if u guys cannot deliver.
So DELIVER RESULTS DEBATE REWARDS, till then think WHATZNEXT DUDE?
where were u morons? said...
First of all none of guys u mentioned fainted and had to leave the game like Sohail did earlier this season. So they are in better shape then ur EX VP get ur facts.
*So what is wrong with that if someone got little dehydrated? How many times he has done that in last 10 years. Come one you need to show your grown-up approach to understand that it can happen to anyone. I do not need to praise about sohail here, his fitness and his stats speak for himself. It is just unfair for you to bring this issue. However, he is still fitter than the guys you mentioned up there. In addition, Can you shed some light on our President passing out in Detroit? He is much younger than sohail?
Where were you when a Tariqs buddy use to play La Open on leauges expense and loose every match.
Reply to me where were u when every match was lost. Yes they are still buddies and what did they accomplish in LA. Didn't win one tournament.
*I think there are some other names missing in this list that were against of TA regime hence selected in LA Squad. You need to figure out who were the other players. As far as LA open tournament, it becomes a fashion after a year or so to bring Test Cricketers in their squads. Now you are competing with amateur vs. professional. Each team they faced had 5 to 7 test cricketers. I do not think that you can compete with them.
LEAGUE WAS TOGETHER, DONT THINK IT IS TOGETHER ANYMORE SINCE YOU CAME.
Let me count to 21 for you more people wanted ur ex mgmt out. Can you count to 21. Dont know if u need to think to 21.
*This is just your pride and arrogance speaking that you want us to count 21. Sure we can count to 21 and more. The reason that people want the ex mgt out not because of they really wanted rather it was done because of friendship and all the thieves joined coalition for last 10 years. They lured you to the fantasies but yet to deliver.
Where were you when old mgmt use to pay for Tariq's flights, car rental, phone bills, lunches etc.
Read the budget presented by them under Administration expense over 10,000. There is no claim kiddo its a fact learn to read a budget.
*So you are telling me now that all of the current managements will pay everything from their pockets to run this league. There would be no travelling expenses for any other officers who had to represent Midwest related stuff from Midwest account. I see $579 telephone expenses shown on the current financial report. Whose telephone bill is that?
Where were you when it took previous mgmt ten years to get good cricket balls.
Show proof of order and payment by previous mgmt and I will shut up for rest of season. Seems like u miss being Tariq’s pet to me.
*I am not sure if the balls were ever that much issue as of today. The balls were delivered ok in TA times and even before TA times but they were never being as bad as of today in the history of Midwest. These were the worst balls ever that we received.
I still believe that someone either this or previous managements lied about the balls while in transition. I think we need to look into deeper to find out the culprits. What I believe is that proof of either party will show the truth that who is lying?
Where were you when teams had to travel for hours just to come and find out grounds are water logged.
*So that means we are not following the rules now that every team must go to the ground to find out if they can play or not. I suppose take the rule out now and let teams know before the match start that it is rained out.
Where were you when previous mgmt didn't secure grounds for long term.
Y did your migid leader pick a fight
Size matters Masood Chik is powerfull and nothing wrong with joining forces with UN.
*Ok. We will see what you can accomplish with him in the future. He has not been sincere with anyone in his history. I am sure you two morons can have something in common.
Situp: No point talking to these folks. They are fly-by-night administration and want to make hay while sun shines.
The minute the get personal V need to understand how cheap they can b. I know Sohail as a cricketer, just bcos he had a bad day does not mean he was unfit. I can show millions of instances when visiting teams have had their players collapse playing in sub continent conditions. These jokers neither understand cricket nor culture nor circumstance.
They follow rule as though it is gospel! They have never heard of words like amendment, clemency, pardon or exeption.
I think they will spend the next two years talking of TA and will loose it to some new comer.
It is a joke when Shek says he follows rules. He is being an OPPORTUNISTIC HYPOCRAT who hides and chides based on convenience!
Guys, think whatznext dude?
Whatznext,
I thought you will always talk sensible. But you yourself have been personally attacking Shekhs in your last few posts. He has never attacked you or any other blogger personally ...
I would say not just think whatznext, but think, write, then think again and then submit .. :-) I know I always make mistakes while posting here :-)
Can we get an actual copy of MWCC by-laws? I dont think that the website is accurately stating the By-Laws that a not-for-profit organization should have listed
I was reading this article http://www.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/469756.html. There I found out about Indian Institute of Sports Management establishing in Mumbai. And then on some more google search found about sports management courses in Chicago area ...
Going with the critics, we may need to pass up a criteria for the future MWCC president to be a Sports Management graduate :-)..
Alpesh: My posts have not been personal, I hope this clarifies.
Let me define personal attacks "attacks that are directed at a person, his culture, his physical, mental state, his caste, color, creed or beliefs". Pls. clarify if any one of this has been criticized. For eg. if somebody says a cricketer (with name) fainted and he is unfit, then that is personal. However a statement which says crickets need to be fit and it is captains responsiblity to ensure discipline is not personal but a guidance.
In that light, my criticism is always about leadership and not Shekhs as a person. He is a great guy personally. I am sure nobody in this forum, but for a few, accuses anybody personally.
For me Mr. President and his direction and decision is what matters, if bad decisions come out of bad judgements then they need to be told out. Look at the positive side, there has been extremely valuable inputs that have been shared - it may all not come sugar coated - after all pills are not that tasty but effective - right?
They are throwing out the CEO of BP, not because they dont like him as a person, because of his leadership abilities in crisis. So leaders are measured by their action and reaction.
Sachin is a great batsman and a wonderful person, but when it came to leadership, he accepted he may not be the best. That is leadership, knowing when to quit, however after exhausting every options on the table.
Leadership is about positioning right people for the right job and not interfering in what they are supposed to do. Where are the others from management. We dont see any elected reps responding to the crisis, they have left the boat leaving it to good souls like you and the light house like Aditya to bail out. I do appreciate Mr. President responding once in a while, but however again his responses lack the bite of leadership. It is the same offbeat story again and again.
I told you Leaders have to explore unchartered territories and leave a trail for others to follow, however our Leadership is blindly following the trail/tail - this is not change, this is catastrophy!!
I am sure you will understand this in the right spirit and take the inputs positively.
There is a very good saying in english which goes this way "every body who shits on you is not your enemy and everybody who pulls you out of shit is not your friend". There is a story which explains the moral - maybe someday I will explain this when leadership qualities starts to surface, right now the spill is spreading, control and contain it please by thinking whatznext dude?
Fellas...
Lets not get personal in here..
What were you..,
that was a cheap shot on sohail..I dont think thats necessary..
Sohail's probably fitter than most folks in the leauge.
Anyways, I like the criticism, coz that keeps us in check.
But, for the league's sake lets work together...and not against each other.
If you see something wrong, stand up and say that's wrong, we'll appreciate that.
But, please dont drag people in personally, be that the current or ex management.
Lets debate in a healthy way, not taking cheap shots...
Thanks for keeping us honest fellas..
Whatznext,
It was nice to know about your thoughts on Leadership. You referred to Mr. P as hypocrite, which I felt was not required. Hence, my earlier post.
I believe there are different types of leadership styles and Shekhs bhai's style may not be the same as you want to see. But what I will definitely say that he is trying hard to take the league forward.
Shekhs bhai loves the blog same as all of us, but when things are being twisted and taken out of context frequently, it is sensible to limit yourselves on the blog. These are again just my views.
Btw ... will Raina score a century ?? keeping fingers crossed...
Also have started a poll on the blog .. Please submit your votes ...
Alpesh: My reference to Mr.P being a hypocrite was in the context of the stand he had taken then (as player) and now as Mr. P.
In short, I was explaining the hypocrisy (by opportunistic change of position and interpretation to suite once convenience).
How will I never know about Mr. P's personality in real life as Mr. Shekh, do we even care ;-). I only judge him in the office he chairs and any & all my comments / observations are to Mr. P and not to a person.
Hope this clarifies, feel free to ask me questions. You can be assured of a response.
Think whatznext dude?
Alpesh said...
Whatznext,
I believe there are different types of leadership styles and Shekhs bhai's style may not be the same as you want to see. But what I will definitely say that he is trying hard to take the league forward.
Shekhs bhai loves the blog same as all of us, but when things are being twisted and taken out of context frequently, it is sensible to limit yourselves on the blog. These are again just my views.
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I agree there are different types of leaders and leadership styles. However a leader and a style which is ineffective and not result oriented will never help take the league forward.
Again, when the blog gets heated up, it is when the leader needs to take control, surely not run away or abstain. "When the going gets tough, the tough gets going!!!"
Think whatznext dude?
Alpesh said...
But you yourself have been personally attacking Shekhs in your last few posts. He has never attacked you or any other blogger personally
I understand Alpesh your frustration about charging Shekhs that you think it is personal. I am surprised that you can see that but when others are charging Tariq, sohail and Kiran by names, you probably are ok with it especially this guy sohail who had a lot respect in this league.
This is just a double standard of you and your cronies who are not even consistent what you believe in. I do not think that whatznext has said anything bad about Shekhs in person but to criticize his leadership in general. I think we all agree to this part that the decisions are being made wrong and the league standard is deteriorating as promised that you will make this place lot better than what we had in past.
Let’s not talk about the past people they have done their best and gave you an established system that you have to maintain it now. Unfortunately, you are not even keeping up properly with the existing system. It is sad to say that we have not seen anything new and exciting where we say that you are making a progress. I am not sure how much time you need to enhance the existing process. Look You are not inventing a new stuff rather refining it.
So now, you need to show your patience and listen to all the valid criticism and try to answer some of the questions that people are raising. What I see that when tough questions being asked all of you vanished for days and never come back with answers. This means that you never thought properly at first place.
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1. Secure our grounds
2. Acquire new grounds
3. Setup some sort of formal/informal agreement with the ACC.
4. Positions ourselves to hit them hard if they come after any of our assets.
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i have question on point 2.
what is the general process to acquire ground in any park district???
Ravi,
Please send an email out to VP - Moe. He will explain you the process.
Situp ..
I will reply to you in the evening ...
Have you got your brains misplaced or is it disfunctional that you think and act like cheap retards.
You bunch of self-centric, selfish, insensitive, thoughtless, morons.
These jokers have committees for CER, for grounds for youth and I am not sure what these freaking jokers are doing.
Whatnext, your language is flowery and you command is impressive, but it cannot hide your inconsistencies. I've highlighted a few of your "non-personal" attacks above, and they're pretty darn personal. Do you think terms like "cheap retards", morons, self-centric, freaking jokers, etc are used to discuss policies or posts?
You expect people to respond to you and have a discussion with you, while you resort to such tactics? You're asking for a lot, but then I know that's your game.
Why don't you try constructive discussions - you may actually see some results. After all, your end game can only be one of the following - a destructive force on the blog, or a constructive force for the league. And you alone will prove that with your next few posts.
But if you aren't constructive, then clearly results aren't your motivation at all - as quite a few other anons have proven.
Now it's time for you to think whats next? Good luck!
Str8bat,
My understanding is that whatever is on the web page are our by-laws. That is what I have always abided by, and what I've been told is the basis of all decisions (regardless of management). I'm not sure there are any other ones. Hope that helps.
Ravi,
If you are willing to help with this, that would be wonderful. I'm sure Shekhs and team can engage your services to help put this matter to rest. I know they are indeed working on this, but a few more motivated individuals can only help expedite this process.
I've had a few discussions with Shekhs on this in the past, and I do know that he and a lot of the others really do want to resolve this issue. I think they weren't as aware of the intricacies and politics around this issue before they formed the management, but they are still committed to resolving this. It just will take some time to put the proper infrastructure in place to protect our league.
whatnext,
If the management team were to remove the rule, and the ACC went after our grounds, and we weren't prepared (as I highlighted) and the ACC went after and got our grounds, then what would he do? Appease the MWCC teams with your flowery language? Talk about policies in suspension instead of people? Explain how he insisted on sticking to his campaign promises at the cost of the league's assets? Show the ACC management this blog and ask them to play nice? Flowery words, abstract philosphies, and ingenious word-play do not protect against the harsh realities.
While everyone agrees that we should find a way to abolish the league exclusivity rule, there are a lot of us who don't want to do it at the cost our the MwCC.
So, if you don't agree with the timelines, then provide a solution that will protect the MwCC's assets. Because doing this at the cost of the MwCC would be the worst move Shekhs and team can make.
So, be constructive and think whats next to protect the MwCC!
Since this ACC / MWCC thing is not going anywhere... Teams have put in valuable votes to select the officers of their choice. I think that it would only be fair that teams are entitled to call a meeting and ask for votes as to whether the rule should stay or not.. Afterall the league does exist because of the teams. Alpesh rather then the poll that you have now.. Why not create a poll that only team representatives can vote in as to whether we want to call a meeting about this issue and then cast votes for it. If all vote in favor.. good.. if not then forget it and just get on with playing
Adi: I always admired ur steady head while batting or bloggin, but some how u have misread my straight one as a googly and played down the wrong line!!
I dont know how many times i need to repeat that these adjectives are directed at the Quality of Leadership and Administration that is being provided and not at individuals. Please dont take stuffs out of context and confuse yourselves and other bloggers!! For one final time, you can treat this as my disclaimer: My comments are always on the outcome or lack of it due to the decision or indecision of the management and its administrativ/executives in the capacity of the office they hold not as individuals. Do not try and interpret differently, remove ur shades of doubt and u can perceive clearly! I know u r capable.
The next post frankly made me laugh at your sympathetic posture. Firstly the Park District Grounds are not your assets, they are public domain and can be withdrawn by them if required under certain circumstances; that is a different matter.
Tell me the truth, why are you guys scared like chickens when you think of ACC; is it a league managed by a monster! If ACC has the will and way to go and get additional grounds (some of them could be yours ;) Y in the world can you guys not go and get more grounds. This is incompetency!
To me ACC is demonstrating better leadership and development behaviour than u folks. Y is it that u guys are so defensive and dread in fear against a league run by a single person.
So you agree that they are managing their league better than us right. ACC does not say no to their players playing anywhere - that is the courage and confidence that league has on its players and its ability to hold on to its grounds literally. That league is build on one element and that is TRUST!! Undoubtedly there are many young folks who are much much more talented and there are equally or more talented sr. cricketers.
You guys can exist in andheri nagari, patting each others back!!
Shame on MWCC that u guys pass out at the mention of the name ACC!! and start banning cricketers from cradle to grave!! You may also ban all those park districts and utilities companies that provide infrastructure support to them - will you! I bet u will never dare, u look for some kids to vent ur anger and show your jingoism - that is cowardly dude...
You know what instead of me, ideally you should be advising the management whatznext dude?
Shekhs said...
Sohail's probably fitter than most folks in the leauge.
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Why Sohail was not in CER squad.
Might be Adanan didn't like him.
Why Adnan resigned? Did you kicked him out or he moved his affiliation to ACC?
Shiraz, did you suspend Fahd, Moin, Talha etc.? Or Alpesh & Shekhs are running this league. Disciplinary ruling was suppose to come from your desk.
Too many cooks in kitchen !!!!!!
As far as I know, many people involved in the disciplinary committe werent part of suspension decision or even aware of it until it happened.
Talk about transparency and democracy.
I think it looks more like a Puppet show.
On a radical thought: Bring down ACC and save Div II?
This is what they give us on first day at work: (http://hbr.org/product/hardball-strategies-2nd-edition-hbr-article-collec/an/1050-PDF-ENG?N=4294841677&Ntt=+&Nao=1540)
TGIF!!! Looking forward to playing some cricket
TGIF Mitul...yeah...me too...
hopefully no washouts this weekend..
goodluck to everybody!!
Whatnext,
Unfortunately, you stepped over the line and have been called for a no-ball - free hit time!
While you may criticize the policies and decisions of management, those words you used are personal attacks. Your intention may have been specific, but your execution was completely different. As I said, your attempt to claim otherwise with your high-falooting words does not hide the personal nature of those words. As I said, you can accept your mistake and change your M.O, or you can choose to keep trying to defend an untenable position. Your next few posts will define what role you choose to play, so try to actually think about it and I guess we'll all see whats next from you.
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Shekhs said...
Sohail's probably fitter than most folks in the leauge.
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Why Sohail was not in CER squad.
I think Shekhs said that Sohail is old and probably most fitter than other folks in the league. There is a conflict in these two statements. Let me tell you the team was not made based on performance but based on likings.
However, I can believe that sohail was not included because of that they do not like him. If they add him then they will be exposed from their doings. They can bring others 40 plus ages like Mahesh, Faisal and Asif in the team but avoid sohail.
Remember when sohail took team anywhere these were the folks (who were against him) included in his squad with no discrimination.
Shiraz will not have guts to come out from closet and made this ruling to public. Of course he is alone suspended these three youngsters but pretent that this was a unanimous decisions.
I urge voters to think deep about the transperancy that the new incompetent management have been claiming from day 1.
As far at the ACC is concerned, your naivety amuses me. Not from a condescending perspective, but because I too used to think exactly like you. It's a very simplistic and idealistic point of view which I too wish was possible. But the realities are very different, and I will try and explain this for all to understand - which was never done for me until Shekhs did.
The MwCC is not afraid of the ACC. The problem is that the ACC grounds aren't worth going after. I've seen some of their grounds first hand, played on them in post season tournaments (not ACC). They are small, the pitches are perilously narrow, the ground conditions are worse than Heritage Park, they can only play on one side on some grounds, etc. So what will we go after? How do we retaliate against them when we don't want what they have, and we have what they want? I think they do have 1 ground that is acceptable, but it costs 3 times what it does for WP, CP, or HP.
So, we already have the assets that the ACC covets, but they don't have any assets that we covet. It's not about fear and the boogey man, it's about being realistic. Do we really want to play on those kind of grounds when we already have the best grounds?
So, what can we do to solve this problem? I mentioned the approach above. But it takes time for that approach. But at least it's an approach.
All you have done is give us a "rah-rah" speech without thinking about it. Noone claims to own the grounds or the park districts, but there are ways of securing the grounds. If you want to know how, then reach out to Shekhs directly. I'm not sure it's best to share such strategic information on a public blog.
Noone is afraid of the ACC, but before you open up your borders and a possible raid, the smart general is always prepared of every eventuality before hand. You don't just open it up and hope for flowery language and fiery rhetoric to be your defense.
And no-one agrees that the ACC manages their league better than the MwCC. Now you're just reaching to make political points. I need more information about their league before I can make any such judgement, and I know very little about them.
Your writing skills are impressive, but are quite dangerous with such a naive outlook and negative attitude because you may sway some people into believing your cause while hiding the fallacies and logical miscalculations in your arguments.
Come up with a realistic approach that addresses the concerns above - and then if that isn't implemented, all your criticism are valid. But so far, I only know of one approach that will address this issue, and it take some time. I don't know if the management is implementing this strategy or not, but I sure do hope so.
I see such potential in you, but be constructive to be credible. You don't ever have to agree with this or any management to be constructive and credible.
Lets see if you can achieve that status - the other anons have fallen short.
Mitul,
That's a great idea - I have suggested a similar approach to Shekhs - hope they are able to implement it.
Aditya and Sheks,
So do you admit that you were Naive or simply wanting to create unrest when you were writing long posts on blog against TA when he suspended people?
I still miss the link how you changed your stance from writing long posts against suspension to pro suspension?
Billoger said...
So do you admit that you were Naive or simply wanting to create unrest when you were writing long posts on blog against TA when he suspended people?
I think you will get a political answer from them now since they are liable to answer while sitting in a hot seat. According to them everything is hunky-dory now.
They probably will not have recollection that they never raised this issue in prior management and Shekhs probably come up with an apology and move on.
Billoger, Suck it,
I never criticized the previous management for suspending people with due cause.
I felt that it was wrong to suspend someone for playing for the ICML in the CER when they were not selected to play for the MwCC. Since it wasn't ACC related, it was really fair in my opinion. So, I sent an email to that management asking them to reconsider their decision and explained why. They did and so the matter ended. Contructive - not destructive. I engaged them with my real name, not behind silly anons.
I believe Kabir (Milwaukee) Romesh (Milwaukee) were suspended for playing for the ACC and I didn't have any issues then. Last year Abhijeet was suspended for playing for the ACC too and I didn't have issues about it then. That's the rule, and we ALL have to abide by it.
Do check your facts before making silly judgements. If you want the truth, just ask - don't assume.
If Shekhs suspends one of you for playing in the NDP, or Abbott leagues, I'll join the protest and do my best to revoke your suspension too.
* Since it wasn't ACC related, it was really fair in my opinion.
Obviously meant "unfair". It does sound funny otherwise. :)
Aditya said...
I felt that it was wrong to suspend someone for playing for the ICML in the CER when they were not selected to play for the MwCC.
I disagree with you. What I personally feel that if any player represent Midwest and got not selected in the team then a player should not join any other team to play against your own team. I think player should be suspended for that and the previous people have done it.
Now if you are so heavily inclined towards players freedom then allow everyone to play anywhere they want. What is holding you? Adnan has good realtion with Chaddi leader. It takes few meeting to wrap thing up.
Adi: Well you knew it was a Free-hit, but u tried stealing a bye run and have been caught short of the crease of logic ! I can c u walking bak dejected!
Unless u r my conscious u hv no clue as to what I intend to say or write. I dont stoop to that low levels in any circumstance. Many of them are now paranoid reading blogs and at the slightest opportunity claim "personal" & cry foul!!
Maybe u need to rewind and review some of ur blogs and then make such unthought statements.
Y do u assume taking ACC grounds are the only route to expand our options - cant u think of something smart and strategic!!
The first thing we need to learn as individuals is to respect others position. We seem to be hell bent to call the kettle black. What is it that ACC has done so miserably for each one of the successive management to be pshyced.
If you knew the ways to secure your grounds then y dont you implement it and abolish the suspension rule.
Y cant the league act more responsibily than simply trying to convince or convict others.
My intent is not to sway away fans or followers, that will simply happen if you continue to manage the league as it is. Frankly no effort if required for that.
You defending the suspension rule defies logic, as much as Shekhs. Because both of u were crusaders against this law and when it come to our turn, we cry foul!!! Unfair bud, I am sure if u can write such long blog responses, u can surely think of deep ways to cure the cancer that is slowly eating our system.
This is horrible state of affairs!!
I surely keep thinking and responding, constructive or not is in the mind of the reader.
Just so as you know, it will be unwise to think that Aeroplanes were found by optimist and that parachutes were the work of pessimist!! I am sure ur school of thought will call parachute a destructive too, but think wisely u will know that it is extremely constructive invention!!
think whatznext dude!
suck it,
Are you for players playing anywhere, or not? It's not clear at all. On one hand you say suspend them, on the other hand you criticize for suspending. What's your stand?
I am for players playing anywhere, however, I do understand the realities with the ACC and so I am ok with that league being restricted for now. However, the current management should find ways to alleviate that restriction and I am willing to give them some time to do this.
Who is "Chaddee Leader"? And just because Adnan has good relations doesn't mean that MwCC assets are automatically safe.
Whatnext, the UDRS system has over-ruled you and your call was wrong. I'm in by quite a safe margin. Glad I used my referral for this one!
The smart and strategic option is already on the table. If you have a better one, suggest it, otherwise you're just like an empty vessel making a lot of noise without anything tasty or nutritious inside.
I can only tell you what others perceive of your words, not what you intend. I don't wish to the be conscience of anyone I know, let alone an anonymous person who matters even less to me. I don't go after people personally - feel free to check (Refer to the article titled "The politics of scheduling" last year to see the difference between criticism and personal attacks).
I've explained to you and all as best as I can about the intricacies of this issue. That's all I have for you on this topic. If you have anything interesting to add, then please share it with the management team. I am neither part of management, nor a decision maker. I am just the messenger here.
Your analogy of the airplane and the parachute is a good one, but as usual fallacy is in your use of the analogy. Let me correct you.
The airplane is the MwCC. Removing the exclusivity rule is like taking a leap from the plane. The parachute is the strategy I mentioned above, and it is constructive. It takes time to get to the ground, but when you get there, you are safe.
You, are unhappy about the amount of time it takes, and want to take the leap without the parachute. You want to get to the ground immediately. Fine, but the rest of the league wants to be safe. So, unless you have a rocket pack idea, we're stuck with the parachute for now.
Your posts have proven your motives. I thought you may be like a rain cloud - we may not always want rain (especially when we are playing), but it is good for the land. Unfortunately, you are just a dark cloud casting a shadow that hides the light. Maybe one day you can become the rain cloud that we may not want, but is good for us. Sadly, that time is not now.
I've already suggested the path forward. I'll leave it up to you, suck it, blogger, and billoger, etc to figure out whats next, even if it's only on the blog.
When you have something constructive, I'll be glad to continue this or any other discussion. Ciao.
Adi: Good attempt, decisions are based on facts not your desires! U r in pavillion and cool ur heels there! UDRS ha ha , even a blind man knows You are OUT!! Better luck next game!!
On personal attack, I have no intention to even inadvertenly hurl attacks, but if some sensitve souls felt so, then my bad. Ok now wipe ur tears and stop whining!!
Great attempt to use my props for your story, but a horrible one. I wish the MWCC plane took off ever since you folks took charge, u r still grounded on its belly. Your strategy being a combination of flat tyres and weak engine, ofcouse smoke emitting from every possible exit!!
In this circumstance many passengers (teams & players) will leap out and not wear your netted & holed parachute. Maybe u hv read "dont use lift and parachute in fire".
You say u r a messenger but speak like a crusader!! If u r not part of either mgmnt. then simply be a blogger, i am sure there are competent people in the mgmt to take care of stuffs, y do u carry the cross :) of being a messenger. Instead blog like any other player with absolutely no affiliation - we will still read ur blogs buddy and respond too, your inputs could be a valuable thought!!
I have few thoughts in place to ensure continuity and expansion of development of cricket and upkeep of grounds, however given this attitude and brazen display of heavy headedness that u folks show, I am sure not only me, even those people who sincerely wanted to contribute will simply refrain from doing so! This league is being plauged by ego and "know it all" approach - long live MWCC!!
Why do you want to know the name of the anon, how does it help you if all u wanted was thought! Many good things (sometime bad things) we dont see, but just feel. U dont see time but realize it, u dont see air but need it, u dont see conscious but obey it, u dont see love but look for it...finally u dont see truth or lie but know it!!
So don't be unduly worried about the name, to quote Shakesphere "what is in a name, rose called by any other name will smell the same"
So think whatznext dude?
Aditya said:
I thought you may be like a rain cloud - we may not always want rain (especially when we are playing), but it is good for the land. Unfortunately, you are just a dark cloud casting a shadow that hides the light. Maybe one day you can become the rain cloud that we may not want, but is good for us. Sadly, that time is not now.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I couldnt start laughing when I read this. Is this really a post on cricket blog? What are you smoking at work today?
Sounds like a letter by Sarah P opposing BO.
Situp said -
I understand Alpesh your frustration about charging Shekhs that you think it is personal. I am surprised that you can see that but when others are charging Tariq, sohail and Kiran by names, you probably are ok with it especially this guy sohail who had a lot respect in this league. .........
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Situp,
There have been two kinds of bloggers so far .. one who blog with their real identity and one who anonymously with nicknames like you .. It has mostly been the later kind of bloggers who have done personal attacks .. I am not saying all of the anonymous bloggers have engaged in personal attacks, but most of them have ... So when Whatznext said that Management is getting personal, I pointed it out to him ... which you felt was double standard .. Rather anonymous bloggers like you should understand the boundaries and should never get personal on anybody, no matter how much you dislike what has been thrown at you .. try to follow the Munnabhai's Ganghigiri (Lage Raho Munnabhai) ..
Now that you have talking sense recently, I will suggest you that you change your nickname .. I always felt that your nick is indecent, but thinking that you might feel I am targeting you .. I never said so .. But if you can, it will be nice ...
And I forgot to say that we all do respect ex-Mgmt folks like Tariq Sir, Sohail Sir, Kiran Sir and others and as Whatznext said for us, we may have differences with them on their policies, but we do respect them as individuals ...
Alpesh: You are one of the most diplomatic, modest and honest person with loads of integrity. There is no doubts about it.
I dont say this to please you, but because you always keep your approach simple.
Trust me the most complex thing in this world is to be SIMPLE!!
You are the right chill pill the blog needs, your art of unbiased moderation is appreciated!!
Adi too falls closely into a similar framework, however the only difference is he goes the extra mile to explain (with a tinge of needle) and that sometimes is not well received!!
Keep it up bud,
and think whatznext dude?
Aditya, you are such a loser which doesn't worth to discuss any issue with you. From last few years what you said now you are contradicting all that. You are spineless man!
Are you representing MCC management? Or you have self promote agenda!
ACC v/s MWCC Ground Grabbing - Night-Match
Venue: Hanover Park / Toss Won by ACC
Straight Umpire: Finger-in-Nose;Leg umpire: Non-striker; 3rd Umpire: Batsman
Debut: MWCC XII
DISCLAIMER: This an imaginary humorous political satire & kindly enjoy it in lighter vein!!
After much hush, push and rush the 2 not so great leagues decide to have a match on each ground they are competing for ownership; all but moral ground!! ACC wins toss and cordially invites MWCC to take field, for one last time. The spectators, scorers,officials are ready. MWCC fielders start walking in, Oopps there is power failure, our team grops in the dark through the corn field, water puddles, blogger bug's bite; but r surprised to see ACC fielders on the field.
Suddenly MWCC mngmt. realizes its folly & the X-LOOSE-WITTY RULE!! They go wild & BAN everybody! The mgmt. does not stop, they ban 12th man, spectators, people playing on ground nearby, a guy who stopped to use restroom & 500 passengers. Wondering who these passengers are, they were flying over Hanover when the game was on.They have formed a committee to track vehicles which used the road so as all drivers & passengers can be banned. In fact they also decided to ban a few with whom the drivers/passengers were talking over phone.
Having h(Ad)-it-ya was useful as he soon starts blogging for mgmnt. and their (in)-actions. He pulled up archieves of 10 years and gave everyone gr8 insight into how well they are NOT prepared yet. He firmly told everybody guys, "we fought the election from a platform promising change; we will not rest until we will bring you all to platform (station) and let you fight for change (cents), just give some time". He was busy deleting comments by everybody, other than his.
Finger-in-nose could not keep away from action and decided to sneeze hard and splash his nasal thoughts on the blog. In the first few para, he used all the possible adjectives to describe the mgmnt. and the quality of match, till he had to be reminded that this was a match report and not election manifesto.Then he proudly wrote "MWCC fought tooth and nail and ensured that they were ALLOUT for NO-LOSS". He was all praise for the selection panel who were given a free hand to select ANY 14 players from a list of 14 players. He further empahsized the democratic belief of the Management which very clearly told the selection committee that "we will not interfere in the selection process and will give a free hand to the selection committe" - what magnonimity!! To dispell any doubts he proudly said that only AGE, FITNESS and FORM were the only parameters for selection. What he truly intended to explain was that, ONLY those players were selected who 1. Caused less Dam(AGE) to the mgmt. 2. had Politicall FITNESS to their policies/principles 3. helped them FORM a team to win the election.
Our Prez Mr. Sha(king) asked fellas not to take cheap shots, coz he knows how CHEAP SHOT cost us CER Cup!!
Given his gr8 service in defence of our mgmt. they decided to nominate finger-in-nose for the most prestigious "Khabi-na Khel Ratna". But knowing that his habit of finger-in-nose (his or others) may be annoying, they decide to send our Mr. All-face (Alpesh). No prize for guessing why I chose this name for him, cause he is the only decent face worth showcasing to the world out there. In honor of the herucalian achievement of losing grounds (political & physical), they decided to throw a party. Who else could be a better host than Ad-NAN!! hmmmm NAN makes me feel hungry. Our friend Shiraz is naraz over all this and decided to sternly tell "no MO-re such lavish celebrations, I will BAN all those who wants to have NAN anymore"!! But as is destiny's design the (men in) "Power Failed" and he was never heard.
ACC had a last laugh...now itz ur turn folks to have some laugh..hope you liked it!! Lemme know, constructive criticism only please, Adi loves it.
Laugh & Think Whatznext dude?
Bet match: MWCC-V vs. ACC-XI
At stake all current and future ground contracts.
This could have been MCC XI but 6 of whoznext’s buddies were mysteriously not available to play this weekend. But the selection committee, headed by CricketisLife, did not have a choice but to play only folks who are officially recognized by some as super stars.
Bakes realized that this was a mistake and brought a pair of clippers to cut the power out and stop the game. To make it look inconspicuous, in the previous week Bakes booked a private jet, on league expenses mind you, to fly in and out of SLA to cut power in the Dambulla. He did not stop there. He bribed the folks at weather.com to divert some of the rain to create puddles. Unfortunately the park district was better prepared, they had extra cables, and as usual weather.com got it wrong.
Based on all previous years Bakes thought he could do what ever he wanted as prez of the league. He was caught flat footed when someone demanded that he follow election promises and showed him the MWCC rules. So Bakes, instead of suspending the players for 2 games, banned super literate 5 (who thought there were no issues playing this game) for the next 7 lives.
What Bakes did not know was that the wives union was plotting behind the scene and wanted all cricket destroyed in the midwest region. Their Manchurian candidate was FullNan. FullNan, using his USACA connections, created a complete list of people who were in anyway associated with these 5 players and banned them for life as well. So there was no game and the grounds remained in MWCC’s possession. Bakes knew he won this hard battle and that he could use this for next election.
But what poor Bakes does not realize is by banning everybody there is no cricket next year. Meanwhile, CricketisLife learns his lesson and understands that raising the finger is not easy and expressing his views is a cardinal sin. NoPesh, incapable of taking a true complement for his efforts, just gives up cricket and becomes a true satya bramachari.
Adi, I hope this was constructive.
Whoznext, the only piece I could laugh at was “2 not so great leagues”. My English is not as good as yours but if you are a part of this league I think you should consider laughing. At least at your own post.
Bet match: MWCC-V vs. ACC-XI
At stake all current and future ground contracts.
This could have been MCC XI but 6 of whoznext’s buddies were mysteriously not available to play this weekend. But the selection committee, headed by CricketisLife, did not have a choice but to play only folks who are officially recognized by some as super stars.
Bakes realized that this was a mistake and brought a pair of clippers to cut the power out and stop the game. To make it look inconspicuous, in the previous week Bakes booked a private jet, on league expenses mind you, to fly in and out of SLA to cut power in the Dambulla. He did not stop there. He bribed the folks at weather.com to divert some of the rain to create puddles. Unfortunately the park district was better prepared, they had extra cables, and as usual weather.com got it wrong.
Based on all previous years Bakes thought he could do what ever he wanted as prez of the league. He was caught flat footed when someone demanded that he follow election promises and showed him the MWCC rules. So Bakes, instead of suspending the players for 2 games, banned super literate 5 (who thought there were no issues playing this game) for the next 7 lives.
What Bakes did not know was that the wives union was plotting behind the scene and want all cricket destroyed in the mid west region. Their Manchurian candidate was FullNan. FullNan, using his USACA connections, created a complete list of people who were in anyway associated with these 5 players and banned them for life as well. As there was no game, the grounds remained in MWCC’s possession. Bakes knew he won this hard battle and that he could use this for next election.
But what Bakes did not realize is that by banning everybody there is not cricket next year. Meanwhile, CricketisLife learns his lesson and understands that raising the finger is not easy and expressing his views is a cardinal sin. Nopesh incapable of taking a true complement for his efforts just gives up cricket and becomes a true satya bramachari.
Adi, I hope this was constructive.
Whoznext, the only piece I could laugh at was “2 not so great leagues”. My English is not as good as yours. But if you are a part of this league, then I think you should consider laughing. At least at your own post.
Bet match: MWCC-V vs. ACC-XI
At stake all current and future ground contracts.
This could have been MCC XI but 6 of whoznext’s buddies were mysteriously not available to play this weekend. But the selection committee, headed by CricketisLife, did not have a choice but to play only folks who are officially recognized by some as super stars.
Bakes realized that this was a mistake and brought a pair of clippers to cut the power out and stop the game. To make it look inconspicuous, in the previous week Bakes booked a private jet, on league expenses mind you, to fly in and out of SLA to cut power in the Dambulla. He did not stop there. He bribed the folks at weather.com to divert some of the rain to create puddles. Unfortunately the park district was better prepared, they had extra cables, and as usual weather.com got it wrong.
Based on all previous years Bakes thought he could do what ever he wanted as prez of the league. He was caught flat footed when someone demanded that he follow election promises and showed him the MWCC rules. So Bakes, instead of suspending the players for 2 games, banned super literate 5 (who thought there were no issues playing this game) for the next 7 lives.
What Bakes did not know was that the wives union was plotting behind the scene and want all cricket destroyed in the mid west region. Their Manchurian candidate was FullNan. FullNan, using his USACA connections, created a complete list of people who were in anyway associated with these 5 players and banned them for life as well. As there was no game, the grounds remained in MWCC’s possession. Bakes knew he won this hard battle and that he could use this for next election.
But what Bakes did not realize is that by banning everybody there is not cricket next year. Meanwhile, CricketisLife learns his lesson and understands that raising the finger is not easy and expressing his views is a cardinal sin. Nopesh incapable of taking a true complement for his efforts just gives up cricket and becomes a true satya bramachari.
Adi, I hope this was constructive.
Whoznext, the only piece I could laugh at was “2 not so great leagues”. My English is not as good as yours. But if you are a part of this league, then I think you should consider laughing. At least at your own post.
Adi, I am sorry that was indecent.
I posted it 3 times.. please delete two of them.
Thanks for the kind words Whatznext. Also yours and tatabybycu's satire was really funny and a good read.
It was nice to see a win after 5 weeks of losses and rain-outs. Next week, we are travelling to St Louis to play Arena. Anybody knows where to find a 15-seater van. I used to rent from Ace-rent-a-car, but its all sold out for this weekend. Any other places to look for?
So is it true that Adnan has quit?
Since nobody came to confirm/reject it I guess the rumor is true.
Also, since Shiraz didnt come and defend I assume he has also called quits? Usually he is here in a flash to clarify his stance...
Looks like the coalition is falling apart already.
Shiraz bhai has been busy with his younger brother Asmar's wedding for most of the last month. I believe the wedding took place yesterday.
Adnan Sir too is still working with us.
Congrats to Asmar on his wedding.
Looks like a nice year for him, ringing the wedding bells and bowling well :)
All the best for next life ahead.
Management
Can someone explains that why Challengers/AAA game was moved to Hammonds while it was supposed to play on WP#3?
What was the motive behind to do that? There must be some logic behind it.
Illinois/Qc and Cougars/Chicago played their games on WP.
selectors
please look at the summary for wildcats/st louis game. It looks like another 50 from this aged guy plus awesome bowling from him too.
Naren could you please update us sohail performance whether he fainted again or not? Any good or bad comments will be appreciated.
The league has rule that NO GAME should be moved from one location to other.
I am surprised that a game was moved. You might be mistaken.
I am 100% sure it was scheduled initially on WP3. Our genious philospher Mr. Aditya may have a reason to tell us other than games do changed in previous management.
They promised that they will do better than prv mgt but unfortunately, they are following the same thing.
NO REAL CHANGED YET.
This league has rules only for opposition teams but for themselves they are above the law.
I believe United moved one of their games as well and that was done the day of match..
On another note, how do people like the grass of Hanover Park and Washington Park? Where is the promise of cutting grass on regular basis?
Alpesh, please let Shiraz and Masood's chaddi Adnan to clarify their positions on this blog.
Please don't try to play Sarah Palin's role that is Aditya's job
Billoger said...
I believe United moved one of their games as well and that was done the day of match..
Here are the two games that changed for United sofar.
United/Peoria initially scheduled on 6/12/10 WP#3 played on WP#4
United/AAA initially scheduled on 7/11/10 WP#3 played at Riverside Indiana to get 4 points
These are the same guys who made a big fuss last year about moving the games to different grounds but have no issues whatsoever now since they do not keep their promises. This is absurd.
SIP: Update for you on Sohail, He bowled his quota of overs, and he scored a 50 plus against us, and at the same time he did not look tired at any point in the game.
So from my point of view he was in better shape in and after the game than some of our 20 year old cricketers in this league. I hope this answer helps.
This answer will not help me. Selectors needs to understand that age does not matter rather the performance and fitness matter.
So there are no comments about United and challengers games moved to different grounds.
SIU,
I believe one of the United's game against Rovers or CCI was moved the day of match because their scheduled ground was unplayable.
Sorry that i added more confusion to pic.
Let's see if Adnan baba can clarify this.
Aditya,
What do you have to say? Can you do a Sarah answer on this?
So is it true that Adnan has quit?
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Where did you hear that?
Adnan
i have question on point 2.
what is the general process to acquire ground in any park district???
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I just acquired aground for MWCC. Send me an email at president@unitedcricket.org andI can provide details.
Adnan
http://midwestcricketer.blogspot.com/2008/05/kudos-to-mwcc-team-for-winning-cer-and.html
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Read it again. We protested against suspension that was handed becasue we represented Naperville Cricket Academy in CER. Did not play a league game with ACC.
Adnan
Alpesh, please let Shiraz and Masood's chaddi Adnan to clarify their positions on this blog.
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What is it that you want me to clarify?
Adnan
If there is any consolation I reiterate that we are working feverishly to end the ACC ban. As many of you know Iam the biggest proponent of abolishing the league exclusivity rule. We are working on a plan and I can assure you that next year things will be different. In the mean time please sit tight and refrain from making false accusations. There are some on this blog who seem to have personal agenda against the administration.That's not the way to go. There are some legitimate concerns and most are ludicrous accusations.
SIU,
I believe one of the United's game against Rovers or CCI was moved the day of match because their scheduled ground was unplayable.
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There were no games that were rescheduled last minute for United.
Adnan
United/Peoria initially scheduled on 6/12/10 WP#3 played on WP#4
United/AAA initially scheduled on 7/11/10 WP#3 played at Riverside Indiana to get 4 points
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Do you see a pattern here? WP#3 has had rain issues since the drainage system broke two years ago.
Adnan
Whatznext,
What do you read of the poll results ?? After reading your posts on saving Div 2, I believe you would have preferred colored clothings for all the 3 divisions, but the aawaam (public) has other thoughts ..
Also anybody can give me questions for poll .. I will choose one from them every week for polling .. Ideally would prefer the questions to be mailed to me at my midwest account ...
Thanks Alpesh for deleting the comments. Although they were related to the games as we were commenting on grounds.
But I guess you are running a little sensitive these days. Too many mess ups and being critisized for them isnt helping you.
Alpesh didn't delete them, I did. While some of them were pretty funny, they definitely crossed the line in terms of which thread they should be put on.
Commenting on a game is fine, but once you get into the politics of league management, it needs to go on this thread. I hope Whatnext can retrieve his comment and post it again here, because at least it was an attempt at humour, and part of it were pretty funny.
I liked the C-HANG-E part, the rest of it wasn't quite as good. But I do like his wit, so I'm sure he'll come up with some better ones this time.
Yo grounds are so grassy, folks from North Dakota came by askin' "Is it harvesting time already?"
No? Maybe? Just thought I'd add to the Yo Ground jokes!! :)
I played a night game at Community Park on Monday, and the grass wasn't too bad - in terms of the best I've seen it throughout the year. Cricket-wise, it's not ideal of course.
We practiced at Heritage yesterday and the grass was pretty damn long. It was like wearing socks at knee height!
I haven't seen WP in a few weeks, so I can't comment on that.
Mo-mia, if you're reading this, can anything be done about it for this weekend?
yo ...the grass was so tall...that I ran into whatznext....trying to think whatznext...and hiding behind the grass..I mean the nick...
pun intended....
goodluck to everybody and have a good weekend !!
Questions related to Scheduling:
Only games scheduled on WP3 are being rescheduled last minute due to the poor drainage on this ground. Even after it being sunny for 2-3 days, this ground can be water-logged. This was an issue last year and the same policy is being carried forward.
I have asked Mo and the management to work with the Park district to address the ground situation. Hopefully we will see some progress on this issue - it's been dragging for the last 2 years.
Some games, that meet the rain-out rule criterion are being rescheduled - mainly to the weekend we kept in reserve for this purpose (Sep 11/12).
There are other games being rescheduled at the request of a team that is playing, as long as a ground is available and their opponents are willing to accommodate the request. As of Aug 1, we have stopped taking reschedule requests.
The playoffs for all three divisions will begin on the weekend of September 17/18 and end on the weekend of October 2/3 - weather permitting. If we have bad weather one weekend, then it may push out the playoff schedule accordingly.
If there are any other reschedules you have concerns about, please feel free to email scheduling@midwestcricket.org and someone on this committee will respond to you.
Aditya, Why is playoffs scheduled to start Sep 18th/19th weekend?
I know first weekend is labor day. Why wait for one more week to start.
Guest rule,
Good question.
The regular season ends during the last weekend of August.
The first weekend of September is a BYE weekend for all teams because it is the long weekend - Labour day. We generally don't schedule any games during long weekends.
The second weekend has been kept in reserve for rained-out games that need to be rescheduled due to the 3-game rain out rule. I believe there are about 4-5 games that are being rescheduled because of this rule this year.
Thus, the playoffs begin the following week.
Thanks for the update Aditya.
How lucky ICC can be because of this rainout rule?
Rogers park being at receiving end for 3 rainouts so far. But ICC which has only one rainout so far got lucky to be able to play because of other teams situation.
Not so lucky are other teams like Evanston/Hammond which have 3 rainout games and few with atleast 2.
Hey Shekhs: Was that u, I'm sorry I missed u dude...the grass was tall and I cud not figure out that it was you nor peek to c what u were upto ;-)
Come out of your hiding in the grass, and think whatznext bud!!
So Adi,
If a team has 4 rained outs, which game do they get to re-play?? I think, among their 4 rained out games, they should play the opponent who has more rained out games..Is that how it is??
I know there is a "more than 3 matches rained out rule" but I never cared to find out the details :)
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Dinesh - Ideally we would like to re-schedule games against opponents with highest rainouts. But there are some issues with that.
1) If a 4th rained-out game is played half way, then the game just continues on another date and does not restart. So in this scenario we cannot replace the opponent.
2) The current rule is that the "4th GAME" is re-scheduled, which means the opponents have to stay the same. If we change rules, we will have to do it from the beginning of next year, not mid-season. So not possible this year.
3) If we do change this rule then it is going to be a scheduling nightmare because we have to wait till the last week of regular season to reschedule 4th rain-out games as the opponents could change based on rainouts during last week of regular season.
4) But if we put some minds at work before next season we can definately come up with a better system in place as I believe the current rainout rule is not fair.
The reason I say it is not fair is because in this league we pay money to play 14 games. Some teams might play 11 and some may play 13. So whereever possible the team who has played only 11 games shud get the 12th game through a rainout etc. Lets keep talking about this and come up with something solid next year!
One suggestion to improve scheduling is removal of BYE weeks for all teams. We already have 3 long weekends in the season why do we need more bye weeks? Just my 2 cents!
The balls this season are stones..... Can somebody put sense into mgmt that we need cricket balls and not stones.....
Sheks,
Can you please look into the issue of teams not uploading their scorecards? Especially after they loose the match?
Another thing, how come no initiative has been taken to provide the teams with some better balls. The only balls which were 'playable' were Grade A, and every team has ran out of them. Now teams are borrowing from opponents or using Grays balls.
Will these issues be addressed before seasons ends? I understand that you guys ordered bad balls, Three times, but please try to fix the mess, not drag it on. It's only hurting your management's image by not fixing it.
Shekhs,
Does anyone know why United Vs Phoenix game got moved from Washington Park to Lake in the Hill on game day?
This is unfair adavantage to these teams (where there might be other games on Washington rained out) ! Eagles and CCI can get hurt with this move. United and Phoenix needs to be penalized for this move.
Blogger,
Phoenix already have 3 rain-outs. Any more rain outs for them will have to be rescheduled. Since a ground was available on the match day as well as to keep some room available to reschedule the rest rained-out matches (teams with more than 3 rain-outs, there are few of them already) on Sept 11-12th weekend, this match was moved to the Lake in Hills ground on the match day itself.
Alpesh - good answer - like it - thanks.
What's up with United cricket club marketing on our website? Tomorrow, you will have Pak Gym marketing flyer on our website!!!! It needs to be take out ASAP. This website belongs to midwest cricket conference not to United cricket club. Do you agree? You're secretary of this league, you've to step up your game on this issue.
Blogger said...
Alpesh - good answer - like it - thanks.
It does matter whether they have 3 games rained out or not. They would have moved the game anyway. No one knows when the games are being changed, who are authorizing to make the change? It seems like that if both captains agreed then all is well.
Muslim Gym yet again at the end of the season got tied a game. They do not see the pattern for last 3 years. How coincidenct this is?
Umpires are crying for their checks. Balls quality are at ever low.
This management is completely disintegrated to take charge in their hands. I think teams needs to speak up now before they destroy the entire league. Those who voted for change should have seen the change they wanted.
Situp ...
Umpire check delays was my fault totally. But we have covered the backlog and checks up to the first weekend of Aug should go out by this weekend. And now on Umpires should see the checks regularly in every 2 weeks from the day they umpired the game.
Alpesh
This is the end of the season and this word "my fault" does not look good. You guys as promised should be prompt to provide better service than the old folks did that. It seems like that you are not even catching up the work yet. Please send checks as I need mine so bad.
I made the decision to move the Phoenix vs United game to LITH. Both teams were present, both captains were present, and all wanted to reschedule the game since everyone was available then.
As Alpesh pointed out, since Phoenix already had 3 rain-outs and this game would have to be rescheduled, I decided to go ahead with this as it did not give any team an undue advantage of disadvantage.
Had Phoenix not had 3 rain-outs already, then we would have to accept this game as a rain-out as all other teams have had to do.
We have to reschedule a number of games already for the spare weekend, and thus it made practical sense to go ahead with this decision. The umpire, Shekhs, and Alpesh were informed as well.
If this happens to any other team, we would have been willing to make the same change - especially if one of the teams was travelling. I think it makes practical sense to be flexible in such circumstances without bending the rules.
A few other points to consider:
a. Fortunately no rain is predicted for the coming weekend.
b. Hopefully rain will not play spoil-sport to the spare weekend (Sep 11/12) or the playoff weekends (Sep 18 - Oct 3).
c. Grounds were not available during other weekends in which games were rained out that would have been affected by the rain-out reschedule rule.
Suck it,
The change of venue for the game was authorized by Scheduling. The President and Secretary were made aware of this change ahead of time as well.
Not everything is a conspiracy - some of the decisions are made keeping in mind practical sensibilities.
Aditya Said: "I made the decision to move the Phoenix vs United game to LITH".
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BTW, who are you to move this game. Can you tell me what's role in current management. It should have been management decision, not yours. Captain can't make these calls, if I know correctly you're not captain either !
Blogger, you are correct, I also dont think Aditya is the captain but this is what the website says.. "Chief Scheduling Officer - Aditya Burman". hahaha
I am really disappointed on the Mwca league especially on the management. I have been playing in this league for more than 8 years and i think this is the worst year going on for the midwestcricket conference. I wanted to acknowledge some stuff which is really disappointing to be happened in our league.
1) This weekend there were 2 muslim gymkhanas game played one in div1 n other one in 30 30 which is chicago cricket club. Both the games were tied and matter of fact both the games were crucial for the team to come in the intention of making into playoff. I mean 2 games in the week n both of them got tied, how can it be happened, BS. You can check out the scorecards too on the website.
2)Night game ICML vs Muslim United
Everyone knows by now that 3 youngsters were banned moin, fahad, and talha,because of playing in acc. Howcome akhil pathan played yesterday in the night game. He was supposed to be ban because of playin in acc.
Have ICML paid money to the management or what. IDK what is happening in this league. If management wants to be fair with the midwestcricketconference, then they should suspend icml from the night tournament and put muslimunited in the semifinal round according to the league rules.
Does anyone responsible from the current management can please answer these secret questions plz it would be really greatful for the league and for the players too??????
this management of sheks and arrogant Adnan has shown another proof of their inept leadership and personal agenda. I just heard that our MWCC will have no participation in the men's cer team. The reasons given were that our friend(?) Adnan put the following conditions:
1. CER must take 8 people from midwest or nothing.
2. Captain must be from MWCC.
3. all 8 must play all 3 games.
4. Coach and Manager posts must be given to MWCC.
Whatnext Adnan? I don't know if we told you to say all these? can you explain who authorized you to put these conditions?
wow another controversy
Aditya said...
The change of venue for the game was authorized by Scheduling. The President and Secretary were made aware of this change ahead of time as well.
What was the umpire decision moving the game on the same day? Was umpire opinion undertaken or both of you decided without him? Remember there is a rule that umpire will decide whether the game will be conducted or not.
Let's get Anwer Khan story as well as umpire.
tatabybycu said...
Blogger, you are correct, I also dont think Aditya is the captain but this is what the website says.. "Chief Scheduling Officer - Aditya Burman". hahaha
And you are correct tatabybycu that he is a chariman of scheduling committee. This is the same guy who criticized every rescheduled games in last managment but he has reasons for all the games that he is rescheduling now. This calls misuse of power and double standard.
Cricket,
Wow, that's news to me! How did you hear that? Did that really happen? Is there any way to check?
If so, that's really sad - our guys shouldn't be penalized due to administrative issues.
Suck it,
I didn't criticize every single reschedule request - just the ones that gave certain teams unfair advantages and giving other teams disadvantages. Get your facts correct - it gives you credibility.
So, criticize me or my decisions because there is something unfair about it, not because it was taken using practical sensibilities.
Cricket,
Wow, that's news to me! How did you hear that? Did that really happen? Is there any way to check?
If so, that's really sad - our guys shouldn't be penalized due to administrative issues.
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let's just say I heard it. How does not matter as long as the news is genuine - right Aditya?
I don't know who is at fault here..but looking at the list of demands, CER body must be pissed off. I also heard Adnan was very disrespectful in his ways of communication. I also heard that CER body tried to reach out to Sheks about this who did not respond immediately nor did he intervene and let this tamasha continue.
I only know onething - if people with power do not understand the dynamics of working in group, they will put other cricketers' career ambitions at risk - Our previous leader Tariq did that because of which we were not participating in CER events. Now this admin!
Disgusting - overall.
cricket,
My intent was not to learn more about you, but in fact to verify that it was genuine. I hope you'll understand if I don't believe something immediately that an anonymous user posts, given recent history. I think it would be helpful if Adnan and/or Shekhs can chime in on this or if we can somehow see who is in the CER team for the Regionals.
However, if what you say is true, that is truly disappointing. That is certainly not what I would expect out of any administration.
Adi,
feel free to call anyone in the CER admin. their contacts are on the USACA website.
I now know one more thing - we are asking ICML to withdraw their players from participating. If they pull their players out, I would be apalled at the low level politics being played.
MWCC's woes continue - it continues to be puppet of a few people's ego and personal agenda.
Aditya said...
However, if what you say is true, that is truly disappointing. That is certainly not what I would expect out of any administration.
You never criticize anything on the new managment blunders since you think all is well and you are also a part of this incompetent team. When tough calls come in then you close your eyes or say that you are not aware of anything.
Can we have Anwar khan opinion in your rescheduled games without his involvement?
Can you shed some light on not rescheduling Bears/Pak game? You are moving all the games but not this one? This is the example of you being unfair.
With no communications whatsoever to the teams you are changing games left and right. No one knows what is going on? You were so cocky about your achivement issuing an early schedule that said that playoffs will start first week of September. Now, I am sure you will have valid reason of not starting playoff on time. All the promises are being broken.
Aditya, All you are doing making a mockery of yourself in this league. If you can not support your arguments then be calm for your own integrity. Your entrie team disappoint us.
suck it,
I have heard a possible issue from cricket. I haven't heard the other side of the story as yet. If our players do lose out because of egos/politics, etc, I will definitely add my criticism. But without even giving Shekhs and team a chance to respond to see what they say, that would be pointless - like how you do it.
If you want Anwar Khan's opinion, please feel free to ask him. Let me know what you find out.
I'm not sure what you are talking about in regards to the Bears vs Pak game - it has been rescheduled. This was done because of safety concerns - back to back game for the finalists, high heat index, Ramadaan, etc.
As far as I know, the playoffs will start as scheduled on Sep 18/19. Sep 11/12 is the spare weekend. No one said the playoffs will start the first weekend of September - that is Labour day weekend and we never have games that weekend. Where are you getting your information from? Feel free to check previous posts from this year and you'll see that we are on schedule for now.
Why are you disappointed with my team? Did Phoenix under-performing this season really upset you?
Like I said, check your facts first. It'll help you avoid inserting a large overgrown limb that you use for transportation deep into the small orifice that you use for communication at the other end of your body!! :)
Aditya
I do not think so that last paragraph was necessary for you to add. This just tells your rage and character when you are being criticized for your incompetency. I will try to get Anwar Khan statement back to you soon. Till then just chill out my friend.
Suck it up,
Adityas last para was a comment abt don't put ur foot in ur mouth...I don't think it showed rage or anything :)
I for one, thought it was funny.. :)
suck it up,
My rage factor = 0.
My character = some humour.
Thanks to Balajee for translating. It was just my attempt at humour. I don't take things very seriously or personally on this blog. I hope you don't either - it's all in good fun.
balajee, appreciate that you appreciated the humour! :)
cricket,
I don't know people at the CER level, but I did reach out to Shekhs to get more information. I'm not sure of the details, but there definitely is something going on. I think he'll be responding within the next few days to provide some explanation of what is going on.
Thanks for putting a spotlight on a valid issue!
My friend SIU,
First, I was pointing out that Blogger did not know that Aditya was scheduling games this year.
Second, since he is in charge, atleast to me, it is logical that this reschedule operation would have to run by him.
By your logic: because Aditya has a vested interest he should not get involved in scheduling/ rescheduling any game that could affect Phoenix. That means he cannot schedule for 13 other teams through the season and no scheduling for the playoffs !!
One option is for someone to not play any cricket all year or be associated with any team and do all this stuff alone.. maybe that selfless person could be be you? As far as scheduling goes.. I dont see anything blatant and its ok with me.
As far as where to place feet etc. I would suggest Aditya keep all this knowledge to himself :)
I have been a silent cricketer for all this time. Have seen Tariq's ways of working and now Sheks'. I am sorry to say this but..Sheks is definitely NOT an assertive leader. He is acting too late most of the times and when he acts he is irrational and already frustrated.
Do these people (our admin) realize that they can't control player's career ambitions. How can they? We pay fees to play here in the league and not vice-versa. Who are these people to say we can't play here and there. I am sure they will ban players if they choose to play for CER anyways.
In the name of rules, these people are letting their ego and personal agendas take priority over simple job of working for the aspiring cricketers.
We are not the only league in the region and can't put those conditions. Promoting crickters - let it not be a hostage to our league admin's personal pride and politics.
if we are so proud of our strength, then let's show it with our performances on field and not otherwise. I do not know about others - at least I have not given permission to Adnan and Sheks to be arrogant on our behalf. Like Tariq, these people are continuing to bring disrepute the league.
This needs to stop - right now.
We play here because our friends play. We play by giving fees. The governance need to be in place so the league runs properly. Do not bring regional politics and your egos and pride at our expense.
If you can't handle these things properly, I request you to simply hang the gloves and call it a day.
Let this be very clear - You did not make us cricket players in the first place and as such will not need your permission to play anywhere we want.
I do not like admin paint a picture of justification - like how did they do in case of team selection process and for CER tournament. I simply go by the outcome of what happened. The outcome is that we have no players in the CER team and thats the truth.
Cricket,
Just so you know:
We have these 4 players selected from MWCC for the WEstern Conference to represent the CER team.
1. Fahad Babar
2. Asif Mehmood
3. Asher Mehdi
4. Raheel Akhtar
Since GLCC won the CER final, they picked 5 from GLCC and 4 from MWCC.
Let me know if you still have any questions or concerns.
Once again, our team doesnt believe in personal ego or any of that crap. We are here to provide our young cricketers the best....
Thanks
Shekhs
Sheks,
nice to hear. I also came to know how this happened. Notwithstanding the backroom developments and the reasons, I appreciate this info and I am glad to be proved wrong.
2 requests from my end:
1. Keep Adnan and party away from these activities. He has no idea how to deal with his huge ego. He will cause more damage for all of us than helping.
2. You get involved more as we have elected you not Adnan. We will hold you responsible for even his screw ups.
I expect for all of us to uphold good will and image on behalf of MWCC. Please help us clean the image and perception in the region about our league and players.
thank you once again.
Shekhs, thanks for the clarification.
Cricket, thanks for spot-lighting this.
I'm glad that in the end our guys did get selected and I'm sure that these guys will do well at the regionals.
They are the cream of our crop, so good luck to them.
Good job Pres. I think we deserve to have more players in there, but unfortunately we didn't win CER and so we can't really complain.
I hope our players will play great and make us all proud!
this management of sheks and arrogant Adnan has shown another proof of their inept leadership and personal agenda. I just heard that our MWCC will have no participation in the men's cer team. The reasons given were that our friend(?) Adnan put the following conditions:
1. CER must take 8 people from midwest or nothing.
2. Captain must be from MWCC.
3. all 8 must play all 3 games.
4. Coach and Manager posts must be given to MWCC.
Whatnext Adnan? I don't know if we told you to say all these? can you explain who authorized you to put these conditions?
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Dude what's up with baseless allegations. Where are you coming up with this?
Adnan
United Cricket Club
Dude what's up with baseless allegations. Where are you coming up with this?
Adnan
United Cricket Club
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Hehe looks like "cricket" is the Veena Malik of this scandal
Never in my life have tried to downplay anybody and will not. Adnan, I will also not contribute your meaningless and foolish challenge either - you must know I have the proof without which I will not make those comments.
Obviously, my purpose is not to show you in the badlight. You have helped yourself enough in that area.
My purpose was to make sure people knew what happened in the backend. I will not post your emails to expose you. Beats the purpose..I will not go after people but only objectives.
By simply asking innocent looking questions, you will not become one. The almighty have given everybody conscience and you just need to answer that. You do so and do not worry about us.
I am happy that things have turned out be good for some of our players and I will leave this a that.
You will not hear from me again unless you get into another act such as this. lets play cricket folks - not politics. Cheers.
I know exactly who you are. Would you like me to call you and discuss what happened?
Adnan
United Cricket Club
You can call me and discuss all you want - but you will not be able to change your story. The reason is that you have already put it in the writing - can't change it Adnan.
Instead focus on playing cricket. Listen to call of your conscience.
I am not sure if you believe in Ramadan spirit - if you do, admit to yourself what you did and take a vow that you will let only positive thoughts drive your actions and not negative for the rest of your life. I have enjoyed the benefits of this myself and why don't you as well? It gives immense pleasure to do good without meaning any negativity to others.
I have nothing more to say. I will also focus on playing cricket now.
I just called you and left you a message. Call me back and I'll be happy to clarify for you what went on.
Adnan
United Cricket Club
Adnan,
hope the person you called and left a VM will call you back and you will realize that you have not reached me. :-)
As I said, you are better off focussing on cricket and positive things rather than trying to explain me. No use - explaining. The damage is done already.
In future, try not to repeat the same thing - thing about good things. It's good for health of you and all around you. If you do not believe this - try and see for a month.
Let your actions speak more than anything else. I trust you will do this for your own good as otherwise your conscience will prick you more than my words.
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