Thanks Chally. But I'm a little tired of sitting back and just grumbling about it. I think we should do something about this, and I'm sure management will be reasonable. I have no reason to believe otherwise as of now. :)
Thanks man. It's just that I would like this matter to be resolved, and amicably, so any "instigation" might just derail that from happening or being taken seriously.
But once the matter is over.... please feel free. Whether it's Pak, Phoenix batting, or whoever! I'm all for free speech and a "spicy" blog to read! :))))
I agree adi we are the ones busting our tail on weekends and Management does not work for all teams only a selected few. I am all for voting their asses out and try something else... As for letter I will sign it if need be
Week of 8/19 Giants splitted 2 points with CHICAGO ACERS due to rain as well. Acers is a team with 1 win this season. Now you never heard us complain.
We were in the ground next to you and I fully understand your frustration of splitting 2 pts that day with WS 11. I also see that rained out game killed your chances for playoff.
I will say this and then bury this dead dog conversation. I know this much. This past Sunday there was no rain in Chicago, Moline or Peoria. So no one can say oh Giants played a game while all others were washed out.
We the Chicago Giants and QC Kings would have played this game even if there was thunderstorm. So If Moline was the only ground available then Moline is where we would have gone. The fact that Moline was not in optimal condition both teams agreed to meet in Peoria and played one hell of a game. 4 points did not mean anything for QC Kings. They came to Peoria to play, enjoy and to shape themselves into a better team. Something I cannot say for half of the teams in Division 2 who look for reason to get 2 pts and go home or cry that they have 6-7 road game.
We the Giants don't complain about the element, try to keep a positive attitude towards things. For past 2 years we have been playing playoff games in extreme weather condition and never argued.
1. Quarterfinal vs IIT 2006 2. Quarterfinal vs Phoenix 2005 (Hanover Par)
Phoenix player here will attest to the fact that it was rainy, muddy conidtion and Giants could have won the game with 20 over rule but we played the full game in which Phoenix won in final over. Also that very day we heard lots of other games got called off.
This is the type of the team we are so having one side of boundary wet or under water mean nothing to us.
Tonald Drump I dont think rup was complaining about that he was making fun of the reschedule games and if that the case ICC shoudl get reschedule games too but chicago giants are tough dudes we played you all in WP 40 degree weather...
Brother I was not saying this to disrespect RUP but just to clarify rain or shine does not matter to Giants and for this past week we saw the same attitude from QC Kings.
I just don't want people to bash MCC at our expense. I hope you understand because all MCC did was to help us play a great day of Cricket without disturbing any other teams playing venues etc.
pukka punjabi u must be pissed to see pak out of playoffs as of right now. I hope they make it and show there game!!! As far as muslim not going down to div 2 few years ago. There was a div 2 team that won div2 and dismantled before next season started,that how muslim got lucky!!!! . So get ur facts right. You always pick on farhat and muslim i dont know who ur beef is with. But u probably hate farhat becuase he left pak!! AS far pak being elite thats a JOKE!!! They can ever be elite becuase there attidude sucks on and off the field. Y r they the most hated team in the leauge. No one wants to umpire there games? Better yet no one wants to play in there team, 2 playes left them again this year !!!As far as RAHEEL= please define waterlogged to me,i would like to enlighten my knowlodge by ur definition. AS some one said earlier y didnt pak reschdule games with challenger and united ? Y did they walk of the filed when it started to rain against pheonix. I will tell you becuase pheonix run rate was better in early 20 overs. Mucc is weak right now i am sure they would have never reschduled this game with any other top team. AS far as muslim not playing with pak as schduled earlier. They had requested that week to be by week due to mehmoods wedding and leauge missed the email that was sent to tariq. Muslim asked Pak's Captain to reschdule however that request was denied. Muslim was ready to play. However due to Irfans father passing away the game was reschduled. Even though pak played a night game 2-3 days after that weekend explain? that ? MAy be KARMA!! Pukka punjabi please grow up and look at both sides of the story. BUT yet again u can take the horse to the well but u cant make it drink out of it !!!!
-------- chally said... Rofl... I honestly think if I umpire players will love me because I wil do a great job... I dont know if they will let me umpire we shall see ---------
Jack - let me disabuse you of that notion immediately! If you want to umpire, you will *definitely* be allowed to umpire - immediately! (You wont be allowed to choose the *games* you want to umpire, nobody is allowed that... but you'll definitely be allowed to umpire!)
If you want to umpire, please let Marghoob-bhai know.. or just let me know, I talk to him often enough, I'll convey it to him. We'd be glad to have you :-) We already have a couple guys from ICC who do it occasionally (Raj has umpired a few games this year IIRC).
If good players (who are also well-versed in the rules) are willing to umpire, IMHO the umpiring-standards will rise automatically. We just dont have enough players who are willing to umpire, for one. (Just being a good player is not enough, of course, you have to know the rulebook too... but that can be learnt, and on-field experience is always good to have. We really need more players who are willing to do it). If you really want to do it... we'll find a place for you right away (probably even the weekend of the 9th, or the 15th, of September when the schedule resumes! And it'll be on the days when ICC isnt playing, dont worry :-)
Cricketer411, you only wish that Pak Gymkhana would want Farhat back. Farhat's only playing in Muslim because he is a captain, or else he has no business on the field. I bet you that Pak Gymkhana were rather ecstatic to see him go. Just ask around people for their opinion on Farhat and you'll get the idea.
Have you ever tried diplomacy? it works. =================================== Yeah United Cricket Club left three messages with Mr. President. No one called back yet. I guess I will wait until the 16th of September to see if diplomacy really works.
like what someone wrote earlier. If you feel you have a good case then talk to league and they will listen. ================================= When you say talk to the 'league' whom are you referring to? Please provide me a contact besides Tariq to get this taken care of.
The initial venue for pak's game was not available (NOT DUE TO RAIN) and the teams were notified. MUCC proposed to play at Lincoln Park and PAK proposed to play at Hammond. Due to this disagreement on Venue, The president gets involved and all three decide the game to be played at a later date. I dont see why this should be called a rain out??
The main venue was not available, and there was disagreement on 2nd venue between teams.
Adnan, your just always looking to create some sort of propoganda against TA and league, and this incident might even cause kickin you outa playoffs. So it's understandable why you are crying so loud and declaring to boycott playoffs because you will most likely not make into them. Tsk Tsk.
The initial venue for pak's game was not available (NOT DUE TO RAIN) and the teams were notified. MUCC proposed to play at Lincoln Park and PAK proposed to play at Hammond. Due to this disagreement on Venue, The president gets involved and all three decide the game to be played at a later date. I dont see why this should be called a rain out??
Ice_cold,
We all have had ground availability problems with MUCC (no fault of theirs). And we've all rescheduled to Lincoln Park. We don't suggest Hammond or Peoria knowing they can't make it! There is no concept of disagreement of venue. If there wasn't rain, trust me, the game would have occurred!
Aditya and adnan both are correct the game was reschduled due to rain, lincoln park was available, Ice cold why would pak wanna play at hammond ? they were suppose to go milwaukeeee? y pick indiana??????? most of u guys are just biased, you play for urselves not for a team or cricket!!!! Learn to play fair and follow all rules. As far as Raheel once said "we can offord to give walk overs". Well you know what raheel my friend pay back is bitch tough luck!!! PUKKA punjabi so u agree ur beef is with Farhat not Muslim. well i hope u can solve it one day, rather then taking cheap shots behind an unknown identity, As far was pak being "estatic" about him leaving its the other way around. he choosed to leave even after half his teamates pleaded him to stay. As far as his game look on the top 15 batsmen for the years he played for Pak. Everyone goes thru up and down thats life from where i see it u r down and u only see at ur level!!!!
Adnan, your just always looking to create some sort of propoganda against TA and league, and this incident might even cause kickin you outa playoffs. So it's understandable why you are crying so loud and declaring to boycott playoffs because you will most likely not make into them. Tsk Tsk. ================================== Be that as it may Ice cold. Regardless of whether we make it to the playoffs or not, we will continue to investigate the truth. To clear up the 'boycotting playoffs', I said I agree with someone who suggested to boycott playoffs. I never proposed it.
Adan and Aditya any luck in talking to management, Wait i mean any response from the DICTATOR!!! =============================== No response. Can someone from MUCC plesae calrify the picture?
We have sent a letter protesting the decision and seeking clarificaiton on the situation to management.
Our goal is not to create a major issue out of this for no apparent reason, but to seek clarification on exactly what has transpired and how, and that a fair resolution be found. Again, it is not directed at any team or individual, but at the situation.
I will keep you posted with the developments as much as possible.
Also, I wanted to thank all of those who have shown support for this. We may yet require your support, but for now we would prefer a discussion, clarification, and correction.
I know it sucks that Pak Gymkhana is rescheduling their game against MUCC, but come on, five out of 14 games being washed-out is a little too much.
I see Pak Gymkhana is trying to take the easy way out by rescheduling their game against the weakest opponent amongst their 'washed-out' games.
How about this...
Don't allow Pak Gymkhana to reschedule any games. But, if Pak Gymkhana finish 8th or 9th in the standings, then have a wild-card game between the 8th and 9th seeded teams.
I think thats a fair compromise.
PS. Remember, even if Pak Gymkhana finishes 8th, they'll have to play the wild-card game, since those five washed-games could have gone either way.
Why was game between Eagles and Chicago cricket club rescheduled to another date ? It was supposed to be played last week.
I know that this match doesn't have any implications on playoffs but it has gone unnoticed by everyone who made such a big deal earlier in this week about all this.
No disrespect to anyone, but looks like teams that are on the edge of playoffs are behaving like cry babies.
yep...good point about the eagles vs chicago cc. This game was supposed to be played in WP #3 on 08/26. If this game was rescheduled, then WP #3 would have been free on 08/26.....which would mean that there would have been a ground available in chicago for QC and Giants to play on instead of having been forced to travel (for both teams).
Preetham...can you please clarify why your game was rescheduled?
yourstruly said... Why was game between Eagles and Chicago cricket club rescheduled to another date ? It was supposed to be played last week. ************************
I was not available to play that game but from what i have heard from talking to my team mates. The weather was good but the ground was bad. Ditches everywhere. Flooding everywhere. Hence the rescheduling. So the ground was not available for anybody to play. I really dont know if bad grounds constitute rained out. But we are replaying the game just because we want to play one more game of cricket. As this has no implications on any teams chances i hope nobody minds it. Hope this helps.
Cricketwallah said... At the risk of pissing off all the Hyderabadis online... I would like to disagree with the idea that either of Rayudu or Ravi Teja deserved a higher-level chance anyway, Yadav-goondagiri or not :-) *********************** Sadiq...mere baap. Where are your feet? next time i see you remind me to fall at them. How the heck do you know all these statistics. How the heck do you even know about ravi Teja. He is brand new. Coming to them being not selected to India A. I never said they ought to be. My point was that Arjun Yadav should not be getting the chances he was getting when there were other talented guys in the team. As far as Rayudu not performing. I agree with you. He screwed up biig chances. Even the golden chance while playing under Ganguly. When Ganguly had the clout. But remember cricket is also mental and he had to go through a harrowing time under Arjun, Rajesh and Shivlal. In one game rajesh came to him with a wicket. And the only way Rayudu could save himself was locking himself in a bathroom. How does one concentrate on cricket then. That is the reason he and Suman both left to play for Andhra on Venkat rao's ( ex BCCI vicepresident) invitation. They came back to Hyd after Chamundi ( another ass) became Andhra's head. Hope that gives you all a little masala from Hyd cricket.
why was pak gym so quick about abandoing the phoenix rain out game, did it have to do with them perhaps losing on 20 overs?? adi can you elobarate on that? who was the umpire and why did you guys agree so readily when you had them on the ropes? the so called elite status of pak is totally based on them picking and choosing on the situation. if things were turned around, trust me this would not be happening!!! TA will not win any more votes with this baseless decision in favor of his cronies. romeen you have been very quite about this... care to shed some light?
Lets stop picking on Pak Gym now...its gotten old and rotten..
First of all, we dont even have the facts....we are making baseless accusations. From what I know, their game got rescheduled because the ground @ whitewater(the original ground assigned) was not available for that day. I believe its a valid reason to reschedule a game, given the fact that you had 4 rain outs previously. Please dont gimme the Lincoln park crap now...y'all know that if you were in that position, you'll take the reschedule..
I personally would insist on rescheduling to get an extra game of cricket....if I had 4 rain outs..matter of fact, I will do anything in my power to get that rescheduled..period!
I agree that a rain out cannot be rescheduled...
Do we know that it was a rainout.? Can anybody prove to me that it was a rainout....no..
If MUCC can come out and clear this, we will all be happy... until then, lets rest this case..
Preetam, Remember the Hyd saying "Charanna ghosh may baranna masala" hehe..that how our Hyd cricket always been...We are always like crabs in a bucket...Cannot see any one climb out of the bucket..:) I don't know if you heard of Kartik mecheri...he was national under 14 camp along with Laxman...was at the receiving end..Since I was his roomate..I heard stories..from him that were unbelievable...I personally haven't seen a better batsmen than him in my whole life...:) Anyway...when Rayudu was coming up...I have heard stories..from Hyd about his batting...People were saying he was both Sewag and Tendi put together...one analogy that was very interesting to hear...he captained Under-19 world cup and after he went downhill..There has to be some strong reasons why such talent goes throug the drain so quickly.. I do believe that players like that should nurtured and reared...for bigger scene not just left alone only to fade away...This dude did fade away pretty fast...as far as his performance is concerned...Oh! he should know better..He still young only...22 I think..He still got time..if he put his stuff together...! we only hope..but then India is land of one billion population..I am sure..another couple Tendi's have take birth..lets hope so...:)
predictions of week#18 in div 1. 1.St.louis - chargers.( st.louis will win it easily). 2.Pak gym - Muslim gym.(Muslim will win cuz i will not pick pak anymore after what they do).
Gottcha, sorry - should have clarified. Division 1 top five bowlers.
Naren mentioned that Javed syed of MUCC is not a left arm spinner but I thought he was. Can anyone confirm? Either way, there would still be 4 out of top 5 that are leg spinners .
Asmar, I see your point. What you mean is for right handed batsmen, when the ball is turning from leg to off (either a right arm leg spinner or left arm off spinner), its probably the most difficult to face. Thats probably true for our league (atleast div 1). Having said that, Javed is a right arm off spinner. I guess we all know that spinners do much better than medium pacers in our league.
Shekhs said... I will do anything in my power to get that rescheduled..period!
Shekhs, In my personal opinion, I'd like to have Pak Gym, Challengers, Muslim Gym, United CC, St Louis CC or Muslim Gym or even Satha to be in the div I playoffs as it adds more values to the playoffs, BUT What about the integrity of the rules that we all have to follow? Sometimes the integrity is more beyond the power, it's just my opinion!
BTW, if Muslim Gym is reading this, my son Rahul wanted to thank Muslim Gym for the gift (CA cricket ball), he was really happy and excited when he got it. Thank you.
Samir said "BUT What about the integrity of the rules that we all have to follow? Sometimes the integrity is more beyond the power, it's just my opinion! "
Samir, When I said "I will do anything in my power to get that rescheduled..period! " I didnt mean to say because they are the champs or one of the better teams.....I was speaking hypothetically. I was trying to express my opinion being in Pak Gym's shoes....if I was one of their players, I would try my best to reschedule a game..cuz, I already lost 4 games to rain and Fall's around the corner...I want to play as much cricket as I can..
That has nothing to do with me going into playoffs.. Its like what Preetam mentioned earlier, they rescheduled a game, which has no implications on playoff positioning.. Bottom line - We dont have any proof as to if that game was rescheduled due to rain out...do we?
You prove that to me...and then I'll eat my words..
1. A lot of other teams have had whitewater unavailable and so played MUCC at lincoln park. So that is no excuse.
2. Maybe the game is being rescheduled for other reasons. We've all request feedback from MUCC, but noone has replied. We've requested an explanation from Mgmt on this issue. That's a fair request, right?
3. Agreed, that it sux that any team has had to suffer 3+ rainouts. I say ok, in that case, give them an additional game. But, that "game" should have no implications on other teams for relegation or playoff. Why should other teams who have to follow the same rules suffer?
All we are asking for is
1. Give us an explanation of what happened because it seems in poor taste.
2. Transparency on all games being rescheduled is a "good" thing. It will reduce the need for questioning. But doing it in a manner that is not transparent does beg the question.
Finally, you put yourself in PG's shoes and provided your opinion. Now put yourself in United, Phoenix, Roger's Park, Muslim Gym's shoes, and provide your honest opinon. What would you make of this matter???
Again, you provide an interesting point of view and a potential alternative option. I like it. I'm not sure if I completely agree with the idea, but it's a more equitable idea for all parties concerned than the one currently being excercised!
Those spinners aren't typically called leg spinners. They are left arm orthodox or finger spinners. But the flight and spin of the ball is similar to a leg spinner. But you are right... there seems to be greater success for spinners vs Medium pacers, and then spinners who turn the ball away fromt he batsman instead of into the batsman.
I will take it a little further to say, I believe that left arm orthodox spinners have more success vs right arm wrist spinners (truly leg spin).
I know they are called left arm orthodox, sorry, should have specified. You got what I was saying though...I was referring to the away movement.
I think Justice is right..not many batsmen sweep. Although I think its not so much the batsmen being uncomfortable, rather the heavy grounds I think. Sweep is a risky shot for just one run.
******************************** Aditya said .. I will take it a little further to say, I believe that left arm orthodox spinners have more success vs right arm wrist spinners (truly leg spin). ***********************************
Aditya,
Is that sentence of yours just based on our MCC or International Cricket .. If International Cricket, then its other way round ... Warne, Kumble, Macgill, Kaneria ...
And the possible reason ... Left-arm orthodox spinners are more successful than Right-arm leggies in our league ... is that Right-Arm Leg-spin art is more difficult ... its more about control ... as generally Right-arm leggies extract more turn than orthodox-leg spin bowlers ...
So, I think it is fair to ask for some transparency and an explanation.
But also, lets be very clear about the reality of the situation. If it was one of the "other" teams such as Phoenix (There are others, but I only speak for us) in this position, I'm not so sure we would receive the same treatment. Specially if one of the "major" teams's playoff hopes were on the line. I definitely am not the only one who believes this, and fortunately for you, you are part of a "major" team, not a "other" team.
I think it's all about movement. Not a lot of pace bowlers have the ability to move the ball in the air with control. Some do, and names like Rup, Dax, Ajoy, Farman, Satish, and Mehul come to mind. These bowlers also, if you notice, consistently take wickets. However, once the swing goes away, then they become less effective. That's not to say that they don't take wickets, but they are more dangerous when they move the ball.
For spinners, they don't rely on movement in the air, but off the ground, and so they are always as effective. And movement is effective in our league.
Secondly, I've seen a lot of people get out to catches high, but few get bowled, lbw, or stumped. There is one spinner who comes to mind who gets wickets in all kinds of fashion... a certain Mr. Asif Mahmood. His guile and control is by far the best in our league. But back to the point, it's not that most spinners are threatening, but just that batsman don't have the patience to milk them for runs and only attempt the occasional big shot.
Just my thoughts on your very interesting question. I believe you bowl the same left arm orthodox, and if i remember correctly, when you're bowling well, you are pretty effective.
Justice said, u know why cuz 90% of batsmen in this league are not comfortable sweeping. --------------------- Some umpires still don't know the rules that if a ball pitches outside leg no lbw or the just play dumb. I used to love the sweep shop. I played it very well on the up or down. don't do it much these day cause of Umpiring calls. I got out a few times early in this league LBW sweeping and had to change me batting stands to compensate. My stands these days don't allow for the sweep shot. I still try it but miss at least 75% of the time and only a few good shots.. not worth the risk so i prefer coming down for the drive or loft.
All good observations I think. Movement in the air and off the pitch is what is hard to play.
The heavy grounds also force the batsmen to loft the spinners which is why there are more catches. I am also left arm orth. but not nearly as effective as any of the others mentioned, atleast not this season :-)
Adi, If I'm correct, there's only the pak gym - challengers AL game this week and I already made the predictions for that game. Should we start betting on the day games too?
Preetam, there's nothing planned yet. Someone else may have to take the initiative, I'm working all weekend, but I can swing by if there's any window of opportunity.
Need to go guys. Romeen, Aditya, Shekhs, Rup, Asmar, CMC everybody else have a safe and happy long weekend. Romeen, Madhu let me know if you guys are getting together for a sip.
Preetam.. Kya mian saab apunich karna kya..?:) ayasoe chota shahar say araiy...Aray Romeen bhai koe kuch bolo..kuch ich plan karnay koe..? Aray jabardast time pass karnay ka plan daloe bhi..Aap koe thoe game ich haina saturday koe..Kal doeparhar koe arraiy..Rommen koe kal karthum..phir dekhangay..kay karnay ka..kay bolthaiy?
NEWS OF THE YEAR PAK GYM HAS SHOWED THERE IGNORANCE ONCE AGAIN ON THE FILED. THERE CAPTIAN WHO SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF CALLING HIMSELF A CAPTAIN EVEN! RAN INTO THE GROUND AND STARTED FIGHTING AND THEN HALF OF THERE TEAM AND T FEW PAK FANS JUMPED IN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT ACTIONS LEAUGE TAKES AGAINST THEM THIS TIME SINCE THIS IS THE NOT THERE FIRST FIGHT, OR WILL TARIQ PARDON THEM AGAIN I HOPE MUSLIM GYM TAKES LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THESE IGRONANT PLAYERS. MUSLIM WILL WIN THIS GAME.
really .......man ....i don't know whats wrong with them but league should take action against pak cuz it's not safe to even play the game against them league should banned pak gym for atleast 2 to 3 years its a gentleman's game and they act like goondas.
Rumor has it that Pak Gymkhana's 6 players that took part in beating up Muslim Gymkhana's players are going to be banned for this and next season by later this week.
WELL LET ME TELL YOU GUYS THE TRUTH ABT THE FIGHT BETWEEN MUSLIM GYM AND PAK GYM..U ALL GUYS SHUD KNW WHT HAPPND IN PURDUE,MUSLIM GYM PLAYERS GOT INTO FIGHT WITH THEM N ALSO WITH THE UMPIRE AND SHOWED THEIR WORST BEHAVIOR IN THE GROUND AGAINST PURDUE AND DON'T FORGET THEY HAVE DONE THAT KIND OF STUFF BEFORE UNDER THE CAPTAINCY OF FARHAT... PURDUE IS A YOUNG TEAM DIDN'T GET INTO FIGHT WITH THEM THEY JUST LET IT GO AND ON THE OTHER HAND WHEN THEY TRIED TO DO THE SAMETHING AGAINST PAK GYM...THEY SHUD'VE KNOWN WHO THEY R DEALING WITH...GOT THEMSELVES BEATEN UP...
IT WAS NOT PAK WHO WANTED TO DO THAT SINCE OFFICIAL UMPIRE ARSHAD YOUSUF WAS BEING THEIR 12TH MAN AND HE JUST STOOD THERE AND DIDN'T EVEN TELL THEM NOT TO DO THOSE INAPPROPRIATE STUFF AS THEY DID AGAINST PURDUE...
I THINK LEAGUE SHUD TAKE ACTION AGAINST THEM SINCE THEY DID THAT KIND OF STUFF BEFORE....
I really dont no what happened between pak and muslim but with a capt like farhat muslim is always going to be invovled in altercations with other teams. lets hope some action is taken so as to send a msg that violence and bad behaviour is not accepted.
C'mon guys.. we know both the teams play pretty hard and get very emotional on the field. So let us not rush to pass a judgment before hearing more from both of em!!!
The first half of the game was pretty uneventful...pak gym did a good job in restricting muslim gym to 200 (it would have been more like 160-170 if it weren't for the numerous dropped catches toward the end). In reply pak openers started pretty well...i think they were 20/0 in 4 overs or so...In the fifth over, a ball was hit over the covers and it stopped pretty close to the boundary, or across it (it was difficult to judge that from the seating area in community park). Azhar (who is a very respectible guy) collected the ball and threw it back. Meanwhile, three of the pakgym players started shouting that it's a four.At this point azhar should have stayed at the point he collected the ball. Instead he went back to his fielding position. In any case, the rule in midwest cricket league regarding boundaries is that "it's the fielder's call." However, Pakgym guys didn't agree...One of them (i am not sure who) shouted to azhar, "you are f***ing cheating." Azhar cursed at the player in return...At this point Pakgym's captain, rashid, became infuriated and started running toward azhar in full speed...3 or 4 other pak gym players followed...i am sad to say that i am disappointed by the actions of pakgymkhana players. Personally i have been their fan for a couple of years now...this was the first time i went to see them play, and i am sorry to say that their approach doesn't match their talent.
What kind of stuff honest-cricketer? I was at the game and didn't notice any aggression from Muslim side until Rashid bullrushed the field. It pains me to say this, but Farhat handled the situation very well granted the circumstances. I have been very critical of Farhat's behavior on this blog, however, what Rashid, Shahid, and Hasan did on saturday far outweighs anything Farhat has ever done. It was downright Bush league. Rashid and rest of the Pak Gym guys are solely to be blamed for the situation. Their behavior was criminal. I have known this Azhar fellow for a long time and he is a very respectable guy. Rashid called him a fucking liar at least 5 times before Azhar even said anything. Rashid totally lost it and bullrushed the field. If I remember correctly, many of the Muslim Gym guys were contemplating with the idea of calling the cops and were stopped by Sheraz. Had the cops were called, half of Pak gym guys would have been arrested. League should come down harsh on Pak gym and the culprits should be banned for a lonf time. Again, pains me to say this, but Farhat handled the situation as well as he could. Given his past, it was very surprising to see.
hey pukka punjabi thanks for giving an honest view. Honest cricketer u are what rasheed said to azhar. BUT i would like to tell u all bloogers who didnt fight from PAK bakshi, imran, raheel, farman, maqsood raza, they showed class of being better humans. Instead they were cursed and insulted by there own teammates for not fighting. The rest of the team showed there true colors. JOE also tried to stop this fight but other pak supporters ran into the field to spark the fire. Pak players were also involed in a fight few weeks ago where they beat up few teenagers from a team, that team will be reporting to the leauge officials soon. Half of pak will be or should be suspended for few years, i ask all team captains to make sure you ask the leauge to take severe actions against pak. Sheraz, asmar, and fasial from united were at the game can you guys please shed some more light to the event. In past Pak have picked on little teams, Lets see what happens to them for messing with MUSLIM!!!!
I was at the ground when this incidence happend and I can say this Pak Gymkhana team is just full of crap.
They started this fight by running into the ground and beating the shit out of Muslim Gymkhana's team. Now Pak Gymkhana realizes that they will get banned for atleast couple of years so now they are trying to shift the blame to Muslim team.
Hey Paki Gym Goondas this time I think you guys made a big mistake and your bs will end very soon.
This will be a true test for MCC Management. They should do the right thing by banning this team for next year and should ban the players who were involved in the fight for good 2-3 years.
If this does not happen boys it could be you and your team getting beat up by Pak Gymkhana's Goondas next time you play them in a tight game.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 301 of 301Yeah man...de ground flood. I seen it. Now nobody get pissed off with me,as I may end up at your next game in a bot via the swamp created.
Thanks Chally. But I'm a little tired of sitting back and just grumbling about it. I think we should do something about this, and I'm sure management will be reasonable. I have no reason to believe otherwise as of now. :)
Doosra,
Thanks man. It's just that I would like this matter to be resolved, and amicably, so any "instigation" might just derail that from happening or being taken seriously.
But once the matter is over.... please feel free. Whether it's Pak, Phoenix batting, or whoever! I'm all for free speech and a "spicy" blog to read! :))))
I agree adi we are the ones busting our tail on weekends and Management does not work for all teams only a selected few. I am all for voting their asses out and try something else...
As for letter I will sign it if need be
Letter..wat letter? I will sign,just mark an "x"
FYI for RUP -
Week of 8/19 Giants splitted 2 points with CHICAGO ACERS due to rain as well. Acers is a team with 1 win this season. Now you never heard us complain.
We were in the ground next to you and I fully understand your frustration of splitting 2 pts that day with WS 11. I also see that rained out game killed your chances for playoff.
I will say this and then bury this dead dog conversation. I know this much. This past Sunday there was no rain in Chicago, Moline or Peoria. So no one can say oh Giants played a game while all others were washed out.
We the Chicago Giants and QC Kings would have played this game even if there was thunderstorm. So If Moline was the only ground available then Moline is where we would have gone. The fact that Moline was not in optimal condition both teams agreed to meet in Peoria and played one hell of a game. 4 points did not mean anything for QC Kings. They came to Peoria to play, enjoy and to shape themselves into a better team. Something I cannot say for half of the teams in Division 2 who look for reason to get 2 pts and go home or cry that they have 6-7 road game.
We the Giants don't complain about the element, try to keep a positive attitude towards things. For past 2 years we have been playing playoff games in extreme weather condition and never argued.
1. Quarterfinal vs IIT 2006
2. Quarterfinal vs Phoenix 2005 (Hanover Par)
Phoenix player here will attest to the fact that it was rainy, muddy conidtion and Giants could have won the game with 20 over rule but we played the full game in which Phoenix won in final over. Also that very day we heard lots of other games got called off.
This is the type of the team we are so having one side of boundary wet or under water mean nothing to us.
Sincerely,
Shaikh Out.
TD
Tonald Drump I dont think rup was complaining about that he was making fun of the reschedule games and if that the case ICC shoudl get reschedule games too but chicago giants are tough dudes we played you all in WP 40 degree weather...
Chally,
Brother I was not saying this to disrespect RUP but just to clarify rain or shine does not matter to Giants and for this past week we saw the same attitude from QC Kings.
I just don't want people to bash MCC at our expense. I hope you understand because all MCC did was to help us play a great day of Cricket without disturbing any other teams playing venues etc.
Ciao
I just love to play cricket.. Sucks I am not in the playoff or given a chance to fight for a spot on the last weekend...
I still cant figure it out
hb = aasmani badan ???????
Sky body ????
Chally man..Get even better seat on the ground man..You should umpire..:)
Then give us a chance..to complain about you man..hehe..Just kidding:)
Cheers
Madhu R
Rofl... I honestly think if I umpire players will love me because I wil do a great job... I dont know if they will let me umpire we shall see
"Preetam N said...
I still cant figure it out
hb = aasmani badan ???????
Sky body ???? "
I believe HB = "Heavenly Bodies"
Unless I'm naive...
shekhs rofl
Aha! it should be 'jannat ke Badan'. Rup, there are better places than HB dude. I am sure you know all of them.
Yeah Preetam...Adi messed it up...
He just proved that he's not Tango...Tango's Hinglish is much better..
I'm out guys..
"I believe HB = "Heavenly Bodies"
And this will be correct also
Yes. Well done Shekhs.
While my hindi is not the best, I wasn't trying to use "Shudh" hindi to describe a strip bar! Preetam, too funny man. "Sky Body". loved it.
HB is next door to me in Des Plaines.
Or we can hang by the WI border on 94.
Preetam,
I was just looking for a place to sip a few with some nice ladies serving.
Shekhs am i right?. I know Adi will confirm.
pukka punjabi u must be pissed to see pak out of playoffs as of right now. I hope they make it and show there game!!! As far as muslim not going down to div 2 few years ago. There was a div 2 team that won div2 and dismantled before next season started,that how muslim got lucky!!!! . So get ur facts right. You always pick on farhat and muslim i dont know who ur beef is with. But u probably hate farhat becuase he left pak!! AS far pak being elite thats a JOKE!!! They can ever be elite becuase there attidude sucks on and off the field. Y r they the most hated team in the leauge. No one wants to umpire there games? Better yet no one wants to play in there team, 2 playes left them again this year !!!As far as RAHEEL= please define waterlogged to me,i would like to enlighten my knowlodge by ur definition. AS some one said earlier y didnt pak reschdule games with challenger and united ? Y did they walk of the filed when it started to rain against pheonix. I will tell you becuase pheonix run rate was better in early 20 overs. Mucc is weak right now i am sure they would have never reschduled this game with any other top team. AS far as muslim not playing with pak as schduled earlier. They had requested that week to be by week due to mehmoods wedding and leauge missed the email that was sent to tariq. Muslim asked Pak's Captain to reschdule however that request was denied. Muslim was ready to play. However due to Irfans father passing away the game was reschduled. Even though pak played a night game 2-3 days after that weekend explain? that ? MAy be KARMA!! Pukka punjabi please grow up and look at both sides of the story. BUT yet again u can take the horse to the well but u cant make it drink out of it !!!!
Rup, then Hb would be good. it has fine wine and fine ladies too.
signing out guys....take care
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chally said...
Rofl... I honestly think if I umpire players will love me because I wil do a great job... I dont know if they will let me umpire we shall see
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Jack - let me disabuse you of that notion immediately! If you want to umpire, you will *definitely* be allowed to umpire - immediately! (You wont be allowed to choose the *games* you want to umpire, nobody is allowed that... but you'll definitely be allowed to umpire!)
If you want to umpire, please let Marghoob-bhai know.. or just let me know, I talk to him often enough, I'll convey it to him. We'd be glad to have you :-) We already have a couple guys from ICC who do it occasionally (Raj has umpired a few games this year IIRC).
If good players (who are also well-versed in the rules) are willing to umpire, IMHO the umpiring-standards will rise automatically. We just dont have enough players who are willing to umpire, for one. (Just being a good player is not enough, of course, you have to know the rulebook too... but that can be learnt, and on-field experience is always good to have. We really need more players who are willing to do it). If you really want to do it... we'll find a place for you right away (probably even the weekend of the 9th, or the 15th, of September when the schedule resumes! And it'll be on the days when ICC isnt playing, dont worry :-)
c8w
Cricketer411, you only wish that Pak Gymkhana would want Farhat back. Farhat's only playing in Muslim because he is a captain, or else he has no business on the field. I bet you that Pak Gymkhana were rather ecstatic to see him go. Just ask around people for their opinion on Farhat and you'll get the idea.
Have you ever tried diplomacy? it works.
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Yeah United Cricket Club left three messages with Mr. President. No one called back yet. I guess I will wait until the 16th of September to see if diplomacy really works.
Adnan Baig
United Cricket Club
like what someone wrote earlier. If you feel you have a good case then talk to league and they will listen.
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When you say talk to the 'league' whom are you referring to? Please provide me a contact besides Tariq to get this taken care of.
Adnan Baig
United Cricket Club
According to the Rules published on MCC website clause 16.1 is:
16.1. Points will be awarded as follows:
Win
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4 (Four) Points
Walk-over Received
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4 (Four) Points (to the team receiving the walkover) subject to umpire’s report
Tie
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3 (Three) Points to each team
Draw/No result/Rained out
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2 (Two) Points
Loss
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0 (Zero) Points
Walk Over Given
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- 4 (Negative Four) Points (to the team failing to show up) for any reason whatsoever
QC Kings and Giants got only two points. Who should we be contacting to correct these type of things?
Thanks
Pankaj
QC Kings
As I understand;
The initial venue for pak's game was not available (NOT DUE TO RAIN) and the teams were notified.
MUCC proposed to play at Lincoln Park and PAK proposed to play at Hammond.
Due to this disagreement on Venue, The president gets involved and all three decide the game to be played at a later date. I dont see why this should be called a rain out??
The main venue was not available, and there was disagreement on 2nd venue between teams.
Adnan,
your just always looking to create some sort of propoganda against TA and league, and this incident might even cause kickin you outa playoffs. So it's understandable why you are crying so loud and declaring to boycott playoffs because you will most likely not make into them. Tsk Tsk.
ice_cold said...
As I understand;
The initial venue for pak's game was not available (NOT DUE TO RAIN) and the teams were notified.
MUCC proposed to play at Lincoln Park and PAK proposed to play at Hammond.
Due to this disagreement on Venue, The president gets involved and all three decide the game to be played at a later date. I dont see why this should be called a rain out??
Ice_cold,
We all have had ground availability problems with MUCC (no fault of theirs). And we've all rescheduled to Lincoln Park. We don't suggest Hammond or Peoria knowing they can't make it! There is no concept of disagreement of venue. If there wasn't rain, trust me, the game would have occurred!
Aditya and adnan both are correct the game was reschduled due to rain, lincoln park was available, Ice cold why would pak wanna play at hammond ? they were suppose to go milwaukeeee? y pick indiana??????? most of u guys are just biased, you play for urselves not for a team or cricket!!!! Learn to play fair and follow all rules. As far as Raheel once said "we can offord to give walk overs". Well you know what raheel my friend pay back is bitch tough luck!!! PUKKA punjabi so u agree ur beef is with Farhat not Muslim. well i hope u can solve it one day, rather then taking cheap shots behind an unknown identity, As far was pak being "estatic" about him leaving its the other way around. he choosed to leave even after half his teamates pleaded him to stay. As far as his game look on the top 15 batsmen for the years he played for Pak. Everyone goes thru up and down thats life from where i see it u r down and u only see at ur level!!!!
Adan and Aditya any luck in talking to management, Wait i mean any response from the DICTATOR!!!
Adnan,
your just always looking to create some sort of propoganda against TA and league, and this incident might even cause kickin you outa playoffs. So it's understandable why you are crying so loud and declaring to boycott playoffs because you will most likely not make into them. Tsk Tsk.
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Be that as it may Ice cold. Regardless of whether we make it to the playoffs or not, we will continue to investigate the truth.
To clear up the 'boycotting playoffs', I said I agree with someone who suggested to boycott playoffs. I never proposed it.
Adnan Baig
United Cricket Club
Adan and Aditya any luck in talking to management, Wait i mean any response from the DICTATOR!!!
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No response. Can someone from MUCC plesae calrify the picture?
Adnan Baig
United Cricket Club
We have sent a letter protesting the decision and seeking clarificaiton on the situation to management.
Our goal is not to create a major issue out of this for no apparent reason, but to seek clarification on exactly what has transpired and how, and that a fair resolution be found. Again, it is not directed at any team or individual, but at the situation.
I will keep you posted with the developments as much as possible.
Also, I wanted to thank all of those who have shown support for this. We may yet require your support, but for now we would prefer a discussion, clarification, and correction.
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Who is this Arjun Yadav? Why does he keep figuring in the ‘A’ team?
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India A team for the visiting SA ‘A’ team
Noticed an interesting statistic - the top five bowlers in the league are all leg spinners. Four of them left arm leg break.
Does this maybe indicate most MWCC batsmen are susceptible to leg spin??
Cover Drive,
Read the posting by Preetam...'Familygiri' in HCA...He is the son of shivlal Yadav President of HCA...
Cheers
Madhu R
Top 4 are leg spinners. Please define League.
Papa smurf,
I beleive Tehsin, Naren, Saad, Javed and Asif are all leg spinners.
What do you mean by define league? I meant top five bowlers in MWCC.
Hey guys,
I know it sucks that Pak Gymkhana is rescheduling their game against MUCC, but come on, five out of 14 games being washed-out is a little too much.
I see Pak Gymkhana is trying to take the easy way out by rescheduling their game against the weakest opponent amongst their 'washed-out' games.
How about this...
Don't allow Pak Gymkhana to reschedule any games. But, if Pak Gymkhana finish 8th or 9th in the standings, then have a wild-card game between the 8th and 9th seeded teams.
I think thats a fair compromise.
PS. Remember, even if Pak Gymkhana finishes 8th, they'll have to play the wild-card game, since those five washed-games could have gone either way.
Why was game between Eagles and Chicago cricket club rescheduled to another date ? It was supposed to be played last week.
I know that this match doesn't have any implications on playoffs but it has gone unnoticed by everyone who made such a big deal earlier in this week about all this.
No disrespect to anyone, but
looks like teams that are on the edge of playoffs are behaving like cry babies.
Yours_truly,
yep...good point about the eagles vs chicago cc. This game was supposed to be played in WP #3 on 08/26. If this game was rescheduled, then WP #3 would have been free on 08/26.....which would mean that there would have been a ground available in chicago for QC and Giants to play on instead of having been forced to travel (for both teams).
Preetham...can you please clarify why your game was rescheduled?
got 2 tickets for bears game tonight..anyone interested can email at n0g7087@hotmail.com
-Naveen
yourstruly said...
Why was game between Eagles and Chicago cricket club rescheduled to another date ? It was supposed to be played last week.
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I was not available to play that game but from what i have heard from talking to my team mates. The weather was good but the ground was bad. Ditches everywhere. Flooding everywhere. Hence the rescheduling. So the ground was not available for anybody to play. I really dont know if bad grounds constitute rained out. But we are replaying the game just because we want to play one more game of cricket. As this has no implications on any teams chances i hope nobody minds it.
Hope this helps.
Cricketwallah said...
At the risk of pissing off all the Hyderabadis online... I would like to disagree with the idea that either of Rayudu or Ravi Teja deserved a higher-level chance anyway, Yadav-goondagiri or not :-)
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Sadiq...mere baap. Where are your feet? next time i see you remind me to fall at them. How the heck do you know all these statistics. How the heck do you even know about ravi Teja. He is brand new.
Coming to them being not selected to India A. I never said they ought to be. My point was that Arjun Yadav should not be getting the chances he was getting when there were other talented guys in the team.
As far as Rayudu not performing. I agree with you. He screwed up biig chances. Even the golden chance while playing under Ganguly. When Ganguly had the clout.
But remember cricket is also mental and he had to go through a harrowing time under Arjun, Rajesh and Shivlal. In one game rajesh came to him with a wicket. And the only way Rayudu could save himself was locking himself in a bathroom.
How does one concentrate on cricket then. That is the reason he and Suman both left to play for Andhra on Venkat rao's ( ex BCCI vicepresident) invitation. They came back to Hyd after Chamundi ( another ass) became Andhra's head.
Hope that gives you all a little masala from Hyd cricket.
Over and Out.....until tomorrow.
Asmar,
By league I meant to ask was were you talking about Division 1 or Division 2 or both?
why was pak gym so quick about abandoing the phoenix rain out game, did it have to do with them perhaps losing on 20 overs?? adi can you elobarate on that? who was the umpire and why did you guys agree so readily when you had them on the ropes? the so called elite status of pak is totally based on them picking and choosing on the situation. if things were turned around, trust me this would not be happening!!! TA will not win any more votes with this baseless decision in favor of his cronies. romeen you have been very quite about this... care to shed some light?
Fellas...
Lets stop picking on
Pak Gym now...its gotten old and rotten..
First of all, we dont even have the facts....we are making baseless accusations.
From what I know, their game got rescheduled because the ground @ whitewater(the original ground assigned) was not available for that day.
I believe its a valid reason to reschedule a game, given the fact that you had 4 rain outs previously. Please dont gimme the Lincoln park crap now...y'all know that if you were in that position, you'll take the reschedule..
I personally would insist on rescheduling to get an extra game of cricket....if I had 4 rain outs..matter of fact, I will do anything in my power to get that rescheduled..period!
I agree that a rain out cannot be rescheduled...
Do we know that it was a rainout.?
Can anybody prove to me that it was a rainout....no..
If MUCC can come out and clear this, we will all be happy...
until then, lets rest this case..
peace out..
Preetam,
Remember the Hyd saying "Charanna ghosh may baranna masala" hehe..that how our Hyd cricket always been...We are always like crabs in a bucket...Cannot see any one climb out of the bucket..:) I don't know if you heard of Kartik mecheri...he was national under 14 camp along with Laxman...was at the receiving end..Since I was his roomate..I heard stories..from him that were unbelievable...I personally haven't seen a better batsmen than him in my whole life...:) Anyway...when Rayudu was coming up...I have heard stories..from Hyd about his batting...People were saying he was both Sewag and Tendi put together...one analogy that was very interesting to hear...he captained Under-19 world cup and after he went downhill..There has to be some strong reasons why such talent goes throug the drain so quickly.. I do believe that players like that should nurtured and reared...for bigger scene not just left alone only to fade away...This dude did fade away pretty fast...as far as his performance is concerned...Oh! he should know better..He still young only...22 I think..He still got time..if he put his stuff together...! we only hope..but then India is land of one billion population..I am sure..another couple Tendi's have take birth..lets hope so...:)
Cheer
Madhu R
predictions of week#18 in div 1.
1.St.louis - chargers.( st.louis will win it easily).
2.Pak gym - Muslim gym.(Muslim will win cuz i will not pick pak anymore after what they do).
Papa Smurf,
Gottcha, sorry - should have clarified. Division 1 top five bowlers.
Naren mentioned that Javed syed of MUCC is not a left arm spinner but I thought he was. Can anyone confirm? Either way, there would still be 4 out of top 5 that are leg spinners
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Asmar,
I see your point. What you mean is for right handed batsmen, when the ball is turning from leg to off (either a right arm leg spinner or left arm off spinner), its probably the most difficult to face. Thats probably true for our league (atleast div 1).
Having said that, Javed is a right arm off spinner.
I guess we all know that spinners do much better than medium pacers in our league.
Havent seem a lot of spinners from div 2, but I know Kumar and Nari are very good.
Shekhy, whats shaking?
Shekhs said...
I will do anything in my power to get that rescheduled..period!
Shekhs,
In my personal opinion, I'd like to have Pak Gym, Challengers, Muslim Gym, United CC, St Louis CC or Muslim Gym or even Satha to be in the div I playoffs as it adds more values to the playoffs, BUT What about the integrity of the rules that we all have to follow? Sometimes the integrity is more beyond the power, it's just my opinion!
BTW, if Muslim Gym is reading this, my son Rahul wanted to thank Muslim Gym for the gift (CA cricket ball), he was really happy and excited when he got it. Thank you.
Samir,
Noticed that you didnt include the WC in your playoff wishlist :)
I'm not offended, I guess we can be boring to watch.
Romeen,
I know how you feel man...No one ever picks Rogers Park in their playoff wishlist either :-)
That was my point earlier, spinners are more effective in our league at least Div 1, especially if they are leg spinners.
Samir said
"BUT What about the integrity of the rules that we all have to follow? Sometimes the integrity is more beyond the power, it's just my opinion!
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Samir,
When I said "I will do anything in my power to get that rescheduled..period!
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I didnt mean to say because they are the champs or one of the better teams.....I was speaking hypothetically.
I was trying to express my opinion being in Pak Gym's shoes....if I was one of their players, I would try my best to reschedule a game..cuz, I already lost 4 games to rain and Fall's around the corner...I want to play as much cricket as I can..
That has nothing to do with me going into playoffs..
Its like what Preetam mentioned earlier, they rescheduled a game, which has no implications on playoff positioning..
Bottom line - We dont have any proof as to if that game was rescheduled due to rain out...do we?
You prove that to me...and then I'll eat my words..
rom,
Very busy at work..
Whats up with you?
SHekhs,
Based on your logic,
1. A lot of other teams have had whitewater unavailable and so played MUCC at lincoln park. So that is no excuse.
2. Maybe the game is being rescheduled for other reasons. We've all request feedback from MUCC, but noone has replied. We've requested an explanation from Mgmt on this issue. That's a fair request, right?
3. Agreed, that it sux that any team has had to suffer 3+ rainouts. I say ok, in that case, give them an additional game. But, that "game" should have no implications on other teams for relegation or playoff. Why should other teams who have to follow the same rules suffer?
All we are asking for is
1. Give us an explanation of what happened because it seems in poor taste.
2. Transparency on all games being rescheduled is a "good" thing. It will reduce the need for questioning. But doing it in a manner that is not transparent does beg the question.
Finally, you put yourself in PG's shoes and provided your opinion. Now put yourself in United, Phoenix, Roger's Park, Muslim Gym's shoes, and provide your honest opinon. What would you make of this matter???
Tango,
Again, you provide an interesting point of view and a potential alternative option. I like it. I'm not sure if I completely agree with the idea, but it's a more equitable idea for all parties concerned than the one currently being excercised!
Maybe you should be on the scheduling committee!
sheky,
I've been busy too. Madhu's going to be in Chicago for the weekend. He wanted to know if there's any fun stuff going on.
Romeen,
No predictions? We're coming up on end of season pretty quick.
Next set of predictions is on you.
Asmar,
Those spinners aren't typically called leg spinners. They are left arm orthodox or finger spinners. But the flight and spin of the ball is similar to a leg spinner. But you are right... there seems to be greater success for spinners vs Medium pacers, and then spinners who turn the ball away fromt he batsman instead of into the batsman.
I will take it a little further to say, I believe that left arm orthodox spinners have more success vs right arm wrist spinners (truly leg spin).
u know why cuz 90% of batsmen in this league are not comfortable sweeping.
Aditya,
I know they are called left arm orthodox, sorry, should have specified. You got what I was saying though...I was referring to the away movement.
I think Justice is right..not many batsmen sweep. Although I think its not so much the batsmen being uncomfortable, rather the heavy grounds I think. Sweep is a risky shot for just one run.
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Aditya said ..
I will take it a little further to say, I believe that left arm orthodox spinners have more success vs right arm wrist spinners (truly leg spin).
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Aditya,
Is that sentence of yours just based on our MCC or International Cricket .. If International Cricket, then its other way round ... Warne, Kumble, Macgill, Kaneria ...
And the possible reason ... Left-arm orthodox spinners are more successful than Right-arm leggies in our league ... is that Right-Arm Leg-spin art is more difficult ... its more about control ... as generally Right-arm leggies extract more turn than orthodox-leg spin bowlers ...
Romeen,
I'll be out of town, leaving tonite for Michigan...
You guys have fun..
Madew, have a blast in chi town...
Rom, get him drunk..
:-)
Adi,
I understand where you are coming from...and I can only imagine being in United/ Phoenix or any other teams threatened by playoff positioning.
I wasn't taking sides, if you noticed.. :-) and no disrespect to anybody or any team..
I stated what I would have done in that situation...
Like I said before, if its proven that it indeed was a rainout, I'm absolutely in favour of not rescheduling that game...I will respect the rule..
Apparently, we have no clear facts indicating that it was a rainout..
So, we can;t make statements without any facts..
Sheksh, true dat.
So, I think it is fair to ask for some transparency and an explanation.
But also, lets be very clear about the reality of the situation. If it was one of the "other" teams such as Phoenix (There are others, but I only speak for us) in this position, I'm not so sure we would receive the same treatment. Specially if one of the "major" teams's playoff hopes were on the line. I definitely am not the only one who believes this, and fortunately for you, you are part of a "major" team, not a "other" team.
Asmar,
I know what you meant of course. :)
I think it's all about movement. Not a lot of pace bowlers have the ability to move the ball in the air with control. Some do, and names like Rup, Dax, Ajoy, Farman, Satish, and Mehul come to mind. These bowlers also, if you notice, consistently take wickets. However, once the swing goes away, then they become less effective. That's not to say that they don't take wickets, but they are more dangerous when they move the ball.
For spinners, they don't rely on movement in the air, but off the ground, and so they are always as effective. And movement is effective in our league.
Secondly, I've seen a lot of people get out to catches high, but few get bowled, lbw, or stumped. There is one spinner who comes to mind who gets wickets in all kinds of fashion... a certain Mr. Asif Mahmood. His guile and control is by far the best in our league. But back to the point, it's not that most spinners are threatening, but just that batsman don't have the patience to milk them for runs and only attempt the occasional big shot.
Just my thoughts on your very interesting question. I believe you bowl the same left arm orthodox, and if i remember correctly, when you're bowling well, you are pretty effective.
Justice said,
u know why cuz 90% of batsmen in this league are not comfortable sweeping.
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Some umpires still don't know the rules that if a ball pitches outside leg no lbw or the just play dumb.
I used to love the sweep shop. I played it very well on the up or down.
don't do it much these day cause of Umpiring calls. I got out a few times early in this league LBW sweeping and had to change me batting stands to compensate.
My stands these days don't allow for the sweep shot. I still try it but miss at least 75% of the time and only a few good shots.. not worth the risk so i prefer coming down for the drive or loft.
Shekhs,
I see plans have changed..
you were babysitting ..now Michigan.
Guess the misse is baby sitting.
Romeen what's party plans for the week end. I could hang a few with you guys.
Aditya,
All good observations I think. Movement in the air and off the pitch is what is hard to play.
The heavy grounds also force the batsmen to loft the spinners which is why there are more catches. I am also left arm orth. but not nearly as effective as any of the others mentioned, atleast not this season :-)
pak and mucc game was originally scheduled for sat. the 25th and guess what? it rained in milwaukee...
Romeen, let me know too. I could join for a few.
Adi,
If I'm correct, there's only the pak gym - challengers AL game this week and I already made the predictions for that game.
Should we start betting on the day games too?
Preetam,
there's nothing planned yet.
Someone else may have to take the initiative, I'm working all weekend, but I can swing by if there's any window of opportunity.
Madhu should take the initiative as he is the visitor with a plan
I can join in.
Need to go guys.
Romeen, Aditya, Shekhs, Rup, Asmar, CMC everybody else have a safe and happy long weekend.
Romeen, Madhu let me know if you guys are getting together for a sip.
Preetam..
Kya mian saab apunich karna kya..?:) ayasoe chota shahar say araiy...Aray Romeen bhai koe kuch bolo..kuch ich plan karnay koe..? Aray jabardast time pass karnay ka plan daloe bhi..Aap koe thoe game ich haina saturday koe..Kal doeparhar koe arraiy..Rommen koe kal karthum..phir dekhangay..kay karnay ka..kay bolthaiy?
Little Hyderabadi..Hindhi..for the folks..:)
Cheers
Madhu..
Romeen said...
Samir,
Noticed that you didnt include the WC in your playoff wishlist :)
I'm not offended, I guess we can be boring to watch
Romeen,
My apology, indeed, Wildcats are always there no matter what and so the rest of the teams :) sorry didn't mean to offend anyone :)
Samir
Do anyone know when the playoffs begin?? Is it the Sept 15th???
testing
guys check this link, to see how our beloved central east team did in the regionals
http://www.sccacricket.org/tournaments1.php?id=22
do anyone know any updates about pak-muslim game who won that game?
NEWS OF THE YEAR PAK GYM HAS SHOWED THERE IGNORANCE ONCE AGAIN ON THE FILED. THERE CAPTIAN WHO SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF CALLING HIMSELF A CAPTAIN EVEN! RAN INTO THE GROUND AND STARTED FIGHTING AND THEN HALF OF THERE TEAM AND T FEW PAK FANS JUMPED IN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT ACTIONS LEAUGE TAKES AGAINST THEM THIS TIME SINCE THIS IS THE NOT THERE FIRST FIGHT, OR WILL TARIQ PARDON THEM AGAIN I HOPE MUSLIM GYM TAKES LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THESE IGRONANT PLAYERS. MUSLIM WILL WIN THIS GAME.
really .......man ....i don't know whats wrong with them but league should take action against pak cuz it's not safe to even play the game against them league should banned pak gym for atleast 2 to 3 years its a gentleman's game and they act like goondas.
Rumor has it that Pak Gymkhana's 6 players that took part in beating up Muslim Gymkhana's players are going to be banned for this and next season by later this week.
WELL LET ME TELL YOU GUYS THE TRUTH ABT THE FIGHT BETWEEN MUSLIM GYM AND PAK GYM..U ALL GUYS SHUD KNW WHT HAPPND IN PURDUE,MUSLIM GYM PLAYERS GOT INTO FIGHT WITH THEM N ALSO WITH THE UMPIRE AND SHOWED THEIR WORST BEHAVIOR IN THE GROUND AGAINST PURDUE AND DON'T FORGET THEY HAVE DONE THAT KIND OF STUFF BEFORE UNDER THE CAPTAINCY OF FARHAT...
PURDUE IS A YOUNG TEAM DIDN'T GET INTO FIGHT WITH THEM THEY JUST LET IT GO AND ON THE OTHER HAND WHEN THEY TRIED TO DO THE SAMETHING AGAINST PAK GYM...THEY SHUD'VE KNOWN WHO THEY R DEALING WITH...GOT THEMSELVES BEATEN UP...
IT WAS NOT PAK WHO WANTED TO DO THAT SINCE OFFICIAL UMPIRE ARSHAD YOUSUF WAS BEING THEIR 12TH MAN AND HE JUST STOOD THERE AND DIDN'T EVEN TELL THEM NOT TO DO THOSE INAPPROPRIATE STUFF AS THEY DID AGAINST PURDUE...
I THINK LEAGUE SHUD TAKE ACTION AGAINST THEM SINCE THEY DID THAT KIND OF STUFF BEFORE....
LET'S C HOW IT GOES
I really dont no what happened between pak and muslim but with a capt like farhat muslim is always going to be invovled in altercations with other teams.
lets hope some action is taken so as to send a msg that violence and bad behaviour is not accepted.
C'mon guys.. we know both the teams play pretty hard and get very emotional on the field. So let us not rush to pass a judgment before hearing more from both of em!!!
Pak/Muslim game: observations of a spectator...
The first half of the game was pretty uneventful...pak gym did a good job in restricting muslim gym to 200 (it would have been more like 160-170 if it weren't for the numerous dropped catches toward the end). In reply pak openers started pretty well...i think they were 20/0 in 4 overs or so...In the fifth over, a ball was hit over the covers and it stopped pretty close to the boundary, or across it (it was difficult to judge that from the seating area in community park). Azhar (who is a very respectible guy) collected the ball and threw it back. Meanwhile, three of the pakgym players started shouting that it's a four.At this point azhar should have stayed at the point he collected the ball. Instead he went back to his fielding position. In any case, the rule in midwest cricket league regarding boundaries is that "it's the fielder's call." However, Pakgym guys didn't agree...One of them (i am not sure who) shouted to azhar, "you are f***ing cheating." Azhar cursed at the player in return...At this point Pakgym's captain, rashid, became infuriated and started running toward azhar in full speed...3 or 4 other pak gym players followed...i am sad to say that i am disappointed by the actions of pakgymkhana players. Personally i have been their fan for a couple of years now...this was the first time i went to see them play, and i am sorry to say that their approach doesn't match their talent.
What kind of stuff honest-cricketer? I was at the game and didn't notice any aggression from Muslim side until Rashid bullrushed the field. It pains me to say this, but Farhat handled the situation very well granted the circumstances. I have been very critical of Farhat's behavior on this blog, however, what Rashid, Shahid, and Hasan did on saturday far outweighs anything Farhat has ever done. It was downright Bush league. Rashid and rest of the Pak Gym guys are solely to be blamed for the situation. Their behavior was criminal. I have known this Azhar fellow for a long time and he is a very respectable guy. Rashid called him a fucking liar at least 5 times before Azhar even said anything. Rashid totally lost it and bullrushed the field. If I remember correctly, many of the Muslim Gym guys were contemplating with the idea of calling the cops and were stopped by Sheraz. Had the cops were called, half of Pak gym guys would have been arrested. League should come down harsh on Pak gym and the culprits should be banned for a lonf time. Again, pains me to say this, but Farhat handled the situation as well as he could. Given his past, it was very surprising to see.
hey pukka punjabi thanks for giving an honest view. Honest cricketer u are what rasheed said to azhar. BUT i would like to tell u all bloogers who didnt fight from PAK bakshi, imran, raheel, farman, maqsood raza, they showed class of being better humans. Instead they were cursed and insulted by there own teammates for not fighting. The rest of the team showed there true colors. JOE also tried to stop this fight but other pak supporters ran into the field to spark the fire. Pak players were also involed in a fight few weeks ago where they beat up few teenagers from a team, that team will be reporting to the leauge officials soon. Half of pak will be or should be suspended for few years, i ask all team captains to make sure you ask the leauge to take severe actions against pak. Sheraz, asmar, and fasial from united were at the game can you guys please shed some more light to the event. In past Pak have picked on little teams, Lets see what happens to them for messing with MUSLIM!!!!
I was at the ground when this incidence happend and I can say this Pak Gymkhana team is just full of crap.
They started this fight by running into the ground and beating the shit out of Muslim Gymkhana's team. Now Pak Gymkhana realizes that they will get banned for atleast couple of years so now they are trying to shift the blame to Muslim team.
Hey Paki Gym Goondas this time I think you guys made a big mistake and your bs will end very soon.
This will be a true test for MCC Management. They should do the right thing by banning this team for next year and should ban the players who were involved in the fight for good 2-3 years.
If this does not happen boys it could be you and your team getting beat up by Pak Gymkhana's Goondas next time you play them in a tight game.
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