Friday, September 04, 2009

The Politics of Scheduling

This past weekend, I came across a number of very disturbing incidents that I would like to highlight. They all relate to the politics of scheduling. One can be forgiven for wondering how scheduling can lead to politics, but surprisingly enough it is rife with inconsistencies.

Flames were schedule to play Phoenix on Aug 1/2 weekend. However, because the CER was taking place, we were informed that the game would be postponed as a couple of players from the Flames were playing in the CER. We had bye weeks on the weekend of the 9/10 and 16/17. Instead, we were scheduled to play back-to-back games on the weekend of 29/30.

Now, I ask why this happened? It wasn't Phoenix players that were involved in the CER. So, why should we be penalized with back to back games when we could easily have played during one of our bye weeks? Yes, the Flames would have to play back to back games, but wasn't this reschedule because of them? So wouldn't they have to be accommodating? However, the wisdom behind the two-fold reasoning that I received left me astounded. Firstly, I was told that it was fair that both Flames and Phoenix has to play back to back games instead of just one. Neither team would have an "advantage". Secondly, the Flames had players who play in the Thirty/30 division and thus the back to back was the only way to accommodate them!

Since when did we start scheduling Div 1 games based on Thirty 30 availability? Does this happen for any other team, or players? Does the management team responsible for scheduling avoid conflicts for Div 1/2 players on all the Thirty/30 team? How is it fair to Phoenix who were not the cause of the reschedule? If a game is rescheduled due to one team (in the past due to some tragic circumstances), doesn't the team responsible for the change have to be the one that is accommodating?

Despite all this, we played the back to back games without any further fuss, resigned to accepting our managment's "fair and consistent" decision making reasoning. But then, things took a turn for the "even more consistent". Phoenix was scheduled to play the Royals on WP4 on Sunday after having played the Flames on Saturday at Community Park. Flames were scheduled to play Muslim Gym on Sunday at WP2. Sometime on Friday, the venues for the 2 Sunday games were swapped. And why would this happen, someone could ask?

Firstly, the Flames game was postponed from a 10am start to a 11am start. Even the Muslim Gym players did not know this until they arrived on Sunday at the ground and had to call the Flames to figure out what was going on. Why was this game rescheduled to a 11am start? Was there an out of town team involved? Not unless one of those 2 teams had relocated within 24 hours to a different city!!! Could it be because the Flames had played a game just the day before on Saturday? Surely not, because Phoenix had just gone through the same predicament and our game began at 10am.

Secondly, why was the venues for the two games swapped? Specially, when both were at Washington Park. Looking at both ground, they both looked really good, well cut, clearly defined boundaries, even field, etc. So, what then could the reason have been? Well, we found out shortly when the Flames players arrived. Muslim Gym players were ok "swapping" back and so we began our game. When the Flames players arrived, they objected (stopping our game for around 30 mins while we figured stuff out). They said that the "matting" was not good. Yet, when we glanced over at the ground, the matting lay neatly rolled up. What manner of phenomenal eye-sight had they developed to see that without unrolling the mat? And when the mat was un-rolled, sure enough, they were correct. Yet, this was the same mat that other teams have played on this season, including Phoenix vs the Wildcats the weeekend prior. So why did this make an iota of difference? Since when were teams scheduled on grounds based on the matting available? We were able to solve the standoff and continue our game with all teams agreeing to the solution finally. But, a mystery had begun unfolding and we had little clue as to the motives or events behind it!!

Another scheduling mystery that is puzzling us - Muslim Gym were supposed to play St Louis in Chicago. Suddenly, they are now scheduled to play in St Louis! How, why, where did turn-around happen? Were they informed of this, and did the accede to this scheduling request?? What is the motive behind this great puzzle?

Well, we are still looking for answers. We have two options before us. One, send a notice to the MWCC Management and request and explanation. We've done that, because this has left us truly confounded on how and why such a situation would come about!!! This is the second option - employ the services of the brightest and sharpest minds to help us understand what happened here. Is there a detective amongst us who will be able to solve this mystery?

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Alpesh said...

Again starting commenting here ... so that ppl can comment at this interface ... It seems somebody installed the intense debate plugin for our blogging url ... Hence, we are getting that other interface ..

Atif bhai .. Mgmt must have done that too !!! :)

moe moe said...

hey adi, i think as far as i can remember our game was on ground 4 to begin with, however i got a call from krishna sat evening to play the game at 11 on sunday which was odd, i didnt tell few of my teammates since they always show up at last minute, so it was a good way for them to be early for once:) As far as st.louis issue we told the mgmt we didnt agree with them, changing our schdule for no particular reason. Till date we havent gotten a valid reason, only asnwer i got was that we have to balance games. Last year we were schduled to play 6 travel games, where was balancing then. when there were 3 teams that didn't travel more then 3 times.My team really doesn't want to travel to st.louis especially while fasting. I cant understand the schduling, i know it can be hard at times, but they make it seem like rocket science. WE have enough grounds that are not used sat and sundays. We might not got to st,louis i know it will kill our playoff run but it will prove a point!!!!! So lets see what our captian decides!!!!

Shekhs said...

Gentlemen,
I want to inform you of the sad demise of Faisal and Salman Nafasat's father. Please keep them and their family in your prayers.
Also, reach out to them when you get a chance to express your condolences.

I also want to let you know that the Finals for Abid Lahiri has been postponed to next week. I will let you know once we figure out the approriate date.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Thanks
Shekhs Aravind

Samir_RoyalsCC said...

MCC U-15 & U-19 won the Michigan Cricket tournament. We played 4 games and were undefeated!! Kudos to the kids, they were all awesome!! Specially Samvid (U-15) & Fahad (U-19) were the stars of the tournament!!

U-19 played against California in the final and won by 2 wickets. 130 odd runs were required in 30 overs.

U-15 played 4 games and beat Michigan, California and New Jersey teams and were undefeated!!

Shiva Rajagopal said...

Super performance by MCC........ Well done boys..

Thanks for the update Samir

Unknown said...

Aditya,
you killed the blog by your same anti-management, boring as hell reasonings about bunch of BS.

Shekhs said...

Abid Laheri Tourney Final

Karachi Cricket Club Vs Pak Gymkhana
Date: September 15, 2009
Venue: Community Park, Hanover Park
Time: 7:00 pm

Fellas...please note this on your calendar...and make sure you show up..

thanks
Shekhs

Moaz said...

I was looking at the poitns table and it looks like Rogers Park, Royals, and Bears are in serious danger of being relegated this year.

This year Division 1 has been very competitive and every single team is fighting it out till the very end of the season.

This is only my 2nd year in MCC and I can safely say that the Division 1 of MCC is more competitive than any other league in this region and the level of cricket being played is very good.

Moaz

Shekhs said...

yeah Moaz...its never been so competitive in Division 1 before...
a few traditionally good teams are on the verge of relegation..

even div 2 is very competitive this year..

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fahad said...

what happened in the challanger vs roger park game which was in night on 9/8

msa said...

I believe Challengers beat RP by 28 runs. Challengers had scored 130 odd in their allotted 30 overs. They were actually all out. They apparently came back strong with their bowling.

Shekhs said...

yeah...Challengers won by 28 runs..thanks msa..

Unknown said...

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Moaz said...
I was looking at the poitns table and it looks like Rogers Park, Royals, and Bears are in serious danger of being relegated this year.
This year Division 1 has been very competitive and every single team is fighting it out till the very end of the season.
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Not just those - even the 20-point guys are not yet safe, technically. Eagles and United are both at 20, and still in the relegation-zone, theoretically (though theoretically the playoffs are possible for both too :-)

At the moment, its RP on 14, Royals on 17, Bears 18, United/Eagles 20. RP was hurt badly by their loss yesterday, a huge game... they can now only get to 18, with 1 game left, and hope to stay up on run-rate, their task got very hard after last night because they now need some help from other teams too. Royals have 2 shots left - vs United tonight, and a continued game against Muslim Gym (where Royals scored about 180 batting first when it rained... thats a pretty even game, the Royals bowling has defended 180 most times in their wins this year and last and probably feel they have a shot at winning that one).

Especially if Royals win either game, that will vault them to 21.. and that will put massive pressure on Eagles and United too (unless Royals lose to United tonight, in which case United's attention will turn entirely towards trying to make the playoffs :-)

Bears have a continued game against Milwaukee (where Milwaukee got 244), and also play AAA - Bears won a *huge* game against United a week ago, a desperation-do-or-die game, chasing nearly 200, to drag themselves to near-safety!

Div1 has been very tight for the last 2-3 years IMHO - relegation has been a massive battle each of those years (Tigers and Chargers waged an epic battle a couple years ago, both teams simultaneously pulling off upsets on the second-last weekend too, and this after Tigers beat Chargers head-to-head by like 5 runs the previous week! Unfortunately that battle was decided by a walkover given by PakGym to Chargers on a rainy last-day of the season!)

The big difference this year, partly because of the rainouts, is the "middle-group" of teams IMHO... usually you have 3-4 teams well ahead, about 10 teams fighting for playoffs at this stage, and about 3-4 teams fighting to avoid relegation.. but the teams placed 11-14 are usually assured of neither playoffs nor relegation, by this stage. This year its more competitve at the bottom - never has a team been relegated with 17 points before, and thats the relegation-cutoff already this year! But its also crazy-scheduling taking a toll... a week ago some teams had played 13/14 games, others had played 9 games! (The "United in relegation-zone" is primarily that scheduling issue, so far.. theyre 4-4-2, a record that always has you in the hunt for playoffs but needing to close strong, after 10 games.. but 10 games are usually played by August 15, not September 10 :-)

Because of *all* this - stronger bottom-of-table-teams, weaker top-of-table-teams, crazy scheduling issues with a varied number of games played.. because of *all* that, we have the brilliant situation this year of every team in Div1 either mathematically alive for the playoffs, or mathematically alive for relegation, with 2 weeks left.. and 2 teams (Eagles and United) are actually mathematically alive for *both* playoffs *and* relegation :-)

c8w

Aditya said...

Cool - my pleasure. Feel free to let me know what subjects you'd prefer to read about.

C8w, thanks for the detailed analysis. I think teams that are around 21/22 points are not quite safe either as yet. Although not likely, but still a possibility.

I think United is focused on the playoffs only. I don't think they're worried about relegation, as they shouldn't be. They're in decent shape to make it.

Aditya said...

On another note, I have to give some kudos to the management team for taking some action on some pending issues and publishing it. Although it was long overdue, it's not something easy to do, but they did the right thing.

msa said...

United beat Royals last night. Given all the discussion around relegation it is safe to say that teams that are on 22 points or beyond can focus on the playoffs.

Fake said...

It is clear Rogers Park will be relegated. What are they thinking now? Asmar or Shiraz, would you care to comment please?

Alpesh said...

Very few matches were played today .. any word on the results ??

MWCC Reporter from India enquiring .. :)

Unknown said...

C'mon guys where is everyone? Addy is trying to create uproar here and nobody is saying anything about this, is it just me or I see 2 new players in united, are they locals or new players brought in to enhance their chances of repeat, they names suggest they are from south. C'mon Sadiq we need your skills to figure this out and I can just see Adnan and United being happy that finallhy someone is talking about our new guys.
ADI on the other hand why don't you write about playoff picture and who's the favorite to take it all, because it looks like you ain't going anywhere for while.
PEACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Dinesh_Rovers said...

Rovers Vs Illinois

Rovers won comfortably. Illinois came with only 10 players. We put Illinois to bat and they scored 117 all out. Nokhram scored 38 and Rup scored 19.

We chased it comfortably in 10.4 overs. Ravi blasted the opposition to score 67 off 26 balls. Dinesh was not out for 32. Fantastic hitting by Ravi to take us to a comfortable victory.

Any other results around the league??

Dinesh
Rovers!!

Dinesh_Rovers said...
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Dinesh_Rovers said...

Oh My goodness!!!

They have games on the 27th weekend now?? I see Jaguars and Giants playing on that weekend.. Holy cow! So when do they plan to start the playoffs?? in December??

We played a total of 3 games in 2 months and now we will have to wait two more weeks before the playoffs..

fahad said...

flames beat challengers by 25 odd runs......
flames won the toss and elected to bat first.......
we were 90 /2 in first 20 overs and 147 all out.
in response challangers started very aggresively, they were 39 in first 3 over and got bundled for 122.
spinners took the game away from challangers.
flames are now on 26 points and there last game is against eagles..



what happened in the phoenix vs eagles game???????????

Alpesh said...

Titans became the 1st Chicago based team to book a spot in Div 2 playoffs ...

Today we beat Evanston by 2 wickets and chased a mammoth 320. There were 3 50s - Salman-86, Mughiz-72* and Husnain-59.

Salman said...

good upset win fahad...
surely now you guys have an upper hand on the playoff picture.

Dinesh_Rovers said...

Congratulations on a great win Alpesh.. Wow.. chasig 320 anywhere is a great achievement. :)

Any idea why the Giants Vs Jaguars game was moved to 9/27??

So Is, CCI, Madison, Rovers, Titans, Springfield, QC Kings,Arena assured of play off spot??

The last spot will be between Jaguars and Collinsvile.Its funny that Jaguars playoff spot is not finalised yet, but they can finish No1 still.. Also I heard Collinsville bt Madison and still in with a chance to make it.. Seems it will be an interesting final weekend!!

Aditya said...

Fahad, Phoenix beat the Eagles by 17 runs.

Unknown said...

Muslim Gym beat St. Louis. Muslim Gym 268, Imran 108, St. Louis all out around or under 100.

fahad said...

so this means that flames, phoenix and muslim are now in the top 8 teams and st louis, eagles are now somewhere are in danger for not making playoffs

and also pak gym beat aaa by more than 100 runs......

fahad said...

so this means that flames, phoenix and muslim are now in the top 8 teams and st louis, eagles are now somewhere are in danger for not making playoffs

and also pak gym beat aaa by more than 100 runs......

naren said...

Wildcats beat Milwaukee by 6 wickets with about 2 overs to spare.

MCC won the toss and elected to Bat first, they lost their 2 wickets of Sadiq and Kabir early, and Asif and Romesh joined together and both of them started playing aggressively, especially Asif who scored a quick 48, and at the other end Romesh was playing within himself, MCC ended up scoring 209 in 40 overs and Romesh ended up scoring 106 albeit some bad sportsmanship from MCC, Romesh was run out on 99 and he was atleast a few yards short of the crease but the leg umpire did not give him out, and everyone except the leg umpire was sure that it was out, this gesture by the opposition spurred us to win this game, and boy we did turn up the heat in style, we started with Romeen and Sanjay and Romeen was cleaned up by Kabir for 0 and surprisingly i was sent up as 1 down to throw my bat at anything close :-), i did it for a few balls and got out, and then Sanjay,Ajit,Nikhil,Surya all scored well to bring us home with the loss of 4 wickets.. in the end a good win for us considering our bad for all year this year with the bat.

Aditya said...

Congrats Naren. Well played to you guys. Milwaukee seems to be making a habit of these dubious decisions this year. Quite disappointing....

Fahad, one correction to your point - Wildcats is in the hunt. They win the next game, they go ahead of everyone with 31 points and we can only make 30.

If RP beats Wildcats, then not only can RP possibly save themselves from relegation, but it will help the rest of us out. :)

Aditya said...

Congrats to the Titans. You guys look good this year, now go out and win the Division!

naren said...

its a win win situation for both Cats n RP, so it should be a cracker of a game the coming weekend for us and for all the teams who are in the hunt for the playoff's which is all teams below 30 points....

Guest_rule said...

Any idea why regular season has been extended by one more week to Sep 26th weekend ? Already they say that this is one of the coolest summers and no body can be sure of how weather holds up once we are in Oct..i hope it stays good like last year.

So far we were lucky/unlucky to get out of the contention early but if weather doesn't hold up it will be tough to play for everyone.

Our last game against Jaguars(in Aug) was chilly enough in the afternoon to run for warm jackets.

All the best to all in this crucial weekends of this season.

Shekhs said...

congrats to all the winners..!!!
Excellent win Fahad and Flames...
good knock fahad and well bowled...

nice win Naren and the wildcats!!!

yeah, RPCC Vs Wildcats will be a cracker..

Asmar said...

Naren -

Congrats on the win buddy. I can probably guess who the leg umpire was. A similar runout was not given against us too. I think they do it quite often.

All -

There is however another potential issue that needs some attention. I heard this weekend that Bears, who have already had 3 rainouts and were supposed to continue their game against Milwaukee (where they were chasing 200 plus and in response have lost few wkts for 20 some runs) will be allowed to replay the game from the start.

I heard this from a Bears player. Can anyone else confirm this? If it is true then can anyone tell us why?? Has there ever been a game in the history of cricket that has been restarted???? This game has direct implication on our teams' chances to stay in the division but it looks like we are being given the shorter end of the stick yet again.

fahad said...

any predictions for this years playoffs contenders in div 1......

moe moe said...

Asmar, I understand your point and agree with u, The game should continue from where it was left off. We have to continue a game against united and have to start where we left off, Its the umpires responsibility to do that, unless he is told my managment otherwise. I think you guys should make sure off that. I know it can make a big difference for ur team. ON the other hand big wins for all the teams making a run for playoffs.

I would like to share our game summary since we won:) kinda cheesey however its worth sharing since imran and kami won the game for us.

We were not happy about going to st.loiue as i call it, since our game was initially schduled to be played at wp. However we had to go there and we were glad we did since we all got a chance to be together in the same van and talk about issuse and responsiblities we need to take for our team. After leaving my house at 5 in the morning we got there and won the toss and decided to bat. Mehmoud and Maz openned for us. Maz got out early, but mehmoud was hitting the ball very well. Fawad went one down and we were 60 for 1 at ten overs. Then mir was brought on, runs were hard to come and we lost 3 quick wickets of mehmoud, fawad, and minesh. Then came in kamran and imran around 15 over mark and we ended the break around 80 for 4. The best of these brother was yet to come. While kamran was taking singles and double, kinda off for him, Imran started blasting the ball all over the park and Hit MAMMOTH 12 SIXES. the boundray had to be atleast 85 yards since the cones were pushed easily ten feet beyond the white marked lines, But there is no boundry big enough for these guys. Kami punched his first boundry with his trademark DEEP COVRER SIX WHICH LANDED IN THE JUNGLE AREA above the red fence. It was a delight to watch since i was the leg umprie!!!!. Any how these giants had a partnership of 176 odd runs. Kami got out around the 36 over mark slogging but imran kept his poise and kept ripping the bolwing attacks and got his maiden century. WE got a gaint total of 268, on a very heavy ground.

St. loius came out storng and swinging but we got a crucial wicket of sohial bhai in the first over. After that no one but amit could give a good stand and we won by almost 90 odd runs. Our bowlers especially pardeep and hasan kept a tight line and picked up early wickets. The drive to st. louie is a killer but if u win there is no pain!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for typo's and spelling i am rushing out!!!!!

Asmar said...

Moe, these brothers are unbelievable man! especially Imran! 12 sixes and 3 fours! who bats like that dude!!! Seriously, the way this guy hits full tosses and full pitch deliveries, its comparable and maybe even better than international players. Good win man.

fahad said...

great job m gym khana specially imran and kamran......

Unknown said...

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naren said...
Asif who scored a quick 48, and at the other end Romesh was playing within himself, MCC ended up scoring 209 in 40 overs and Romesh ended up scoring 106 albeit some bad sportsmanship from MCC
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I umpired this game - terrific win for the Cats.

Ball was swinging in the morning, and Satish and Giri bowled very well... Kabir (who has been fantastic this season) fell to a lovely outswinger from Satish early, and then Sadiq fell too, and it was 5/2. But then Asif and Romesh batted beautifully - especially Asif for his 48. I first saw Asif bat like 5-6 years ago, and he made a gorgeous 90 that had a big impact on me, Ive always thought he was a terrific bat(I still remember him punching cover-driven-fours off the backfoot then).. but he's not made runs in ages. He got a 90 a few weeks ago though, and his form looks great - he batted gorgeously well for his 48, his first mistake was his last yesterday.

Romesh, OTOH, hasnt been in good form this year, and he gritted it out - took singles and twos, 1 four in his first 50 runs (his first fifty of the year IIRC)... and then his form returned, and he batted beautifully between 50 and 100. He was 70* with 4 overs left, and ended up with 106*.. despite the controversy at 98* :-) (ran a very hard two from 96*, direct-hit from thirdman at the other end, may have been runout (probably was :-)... but IMHO I wasnt 100% sure and didnt overrule.. the leggie said he was in, and he got to 98* as a result with 2 balls left in the innings. He then got a 2 next ball, and hit a six last ball and ended 106* - generally terrific innings but for that one runout, Milwaukee a terrific 209 in 40 overs after being 5/2!

Wildcats started with 2 earlyish wickets, Wade was bowling a hostile early spell, getting lots of pace and bounce (collected by keeper at face-height a few times).. the Milwaukee pitch is baked, currently, and quite hard, almost like concrete, coming onto bat for strokeplay, much easier to get runs than earlier int he season despite a heavy outfield). Then Nikhil came in and thrillingly took on Wade (who was by now in his 5th and 6th over) - Nikhil smacked him over his head for four, and then pull/hooked him for an absolutely fantastic six that went miles over the boundary. Nikhil got 28 off 22.. and then was runout by Sanjay (immediately after hitting the six - he didnt face a ball after it :-)

Sanjay was devastated by the runout, awfully remorseful.. and decided he wanted to make up for it, and so stayed in there until he got 53*, at which point he cramped up and retired hurt after batting beautifully and setting up the win. Asif was strugglingly badly physically - he has diabetes-issues anyway, it was a very hot and windless day, he was fasting, and had gotten 48 in the morning..he was getting dizzy, left the field for a few overs in the middle (after bowling 2 overs he had to leave the field for a spell). Ajit and Sanjay took the Wildcats to 102/3 after 20 overs (chasing 210), and to about 130/3 in 25 before Sanjay retired hurt. Surya then came in and played v well, when Ajit fell the Cats were 170/4 in 32 overs, 40 in 8 with 6 wickets in hand (Sanjay now fit to bat too).. they sent in Satish, though, and won by 6 wickets with 2 overs to spare in the end. A quite terrific win for them chasing a very high total in Milwaukee - Milwaukee's batting was very good, but with 3/4 guys fasting on a very hot day they were flagging a bit by the end in the field, which is kinda natural I guess.

Milwaukee should still make the plyoffs easily enough, and will be a threat there this year IMHO - Ramzan should be over and their bowling will get better as a result, and they showed a good recovery-potential with the bat in this game. Wildcats, OTOH, looked very good in the chase here - their batting has been the problem all year, if they can fix that before the playoffs (as they seem to be doing the past 3/4 games), with their experience they may well be a serious threat when the playoffs roll around again.

c8w

Unknown said...

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Asmar said...
There is however another potential issue that needs some attention. I heard this weekend that Bears, who have already had 3 rainouts and were supposed to continue their game against Milwaukee (where they were chasing 200 plus and in response have lost few wkts for 20 some runs) will be allowed to replay the game from the start.

I heard this from a Bears player. Can anyone else confirm this? If it is true then can anyone tell us why?? Has there ever been a game in the history of cricket that has been restarted???? This game has direct implication on our teams' chances to stay in the division but it looks like we are being given the shorter end of the stick yet again.
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I heard the same thing from a Milwaukee player yesterday BTW - that this game will be re-started, not continued. It suprised me a bit, since I umpired the original game and my impression was that the game would be continued (I remember telling a lot of people from both sides that day that it would be a real pain to come back to Milwaukee for just 29 overs of cricket.. Milwaukee had scored 244 with a terrific 133 from Kabir, and the Bears were IIRC 24/3 in 11 overs in reply, with only 29 overs left when the light got really poor after some stormy weather earlier in the afternoon which had led to a couple of interruptions already.. but with the rain we'd have no choice but to come back for 29 overs I guessed).

How is this going to work now, anyway? If its to be re-started, doesnt that mean all other "interrupted 4th rainouts" also have to be re-started? That is, Royals/MuslimGym (Royals 180-odd when it rained, Muslim still to being their innings)... wont that have to be re-started instead of continued too? (Both Royals and MuslimGym were under the impression this game would be continued, last I talked to them a week ago, too :-) And what about United/MuslimGym.. where United are chasing 180 or so in 30 overs on Ground 1 (astroturf) in Washington Park, and are 36/0 in 6 overs chasing? Does that now get re-started too? These are games with *huge* playoff and relegation impressions for the entire league... and the situation changes entirely if its a re-start instead of a continuation! (MuslimGym/United for instance.. Id guess MG is maybe currently favourites, defending 180 in 30 overs... but if its to be a re-start, United can now play its new "imports", and that would skew the game quite a bit :-)

Also, if there are restarts and not continuations... hopefully the league can still finish in 2 weeks I guess, with back-to-back fullgames as a result of replays. Definitely wont finish next week anyway, which is why playoffs are postponed by a week I guess.

c8w

Asmar said...

Sadiq bhai -

So do you think this is fair? We all know Bears would not be able to chase down 244 and a restart will have huge implication on our standing. Why can't the mgmt stick to their own rules. Why are things conveniently bent to benefit some teams but hurt others? How can you re-start a game?!?! I have never heard of that happening. It's like getting a 2nd chance to win a game.

Since you were the umpire for the game, I hope that you are fair and speak up against this. You write a lot of articles on controversies towards the end of the season. Well, here is your chance to do something about it! This game will impact us and for it to be re-started is just atrocious. Please do the right thing!

Unknown said...

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cool said...
C'mon guys where is everyone? Addy is trying to create uproar here and nobody is saying anything about this, is it just me or I see 2 new players in united, are they locals or new players brought in to enhance their chances of repeat, they names suggest they are from south. C'mon Sadiq we need your skills to figure this out and I can just see Adnan and United being happy that finallhy someone is talking about our new guys.
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Yep, two new recruits by United, in the tradition of Kiran-Kumar from last year :-) They apparently have a very good "connect" in Hyderabad somewhere... probably not unrelated to Mateen being a part of their team :-)

Faiz Ahmed is the batsman.. a sort of familiar name in club-cricket in Hyderabad, pretty good, also plays professionally in England IIRC. Lefty bat from what I hear, and also bowls some lefty pace. More of a bat though, has done quite well in club-cricket and office-cricket, top order batsman mostly.

The other guy is Mohammad Mohiuddin - which is a name Ranji-followers have heard of. A former Ranji Trophy paceman from Hyderabad, played first-class cricket as a pace bowler for Hyderabad (5 Ranji games for Hyderabad, and 8 Ranji One-Dayers for them). The typical sad-story of Indian pacemen, in a way, as I was telling Giri of the WIldcats last night when were talking aout this... he made his debut for Hyderabad as a fast-bowler when he was 18!Played 5 games, took 1 5-fer.. and his last Ranji game was when he was like 21 years old! He might improve.. but we dont allow people to improve late in India, which is why we often struggle with players :-) Mohiuddin is now 32 and playing for United for the last few games of the season I guess... Id like to see him sometime, just to see how he bowls now :-)

At the start of the season, for the "show", I had interviewed Fais and asked if he thought he had the "bullets in the gun" to make the playoffs this year.. something which annoyed a lot of United's players (obviously :-) Theyre obviously loading up in an attempt to get to (and do damage in) the playoffs now, though! Not quite the same as last year - KiranKumar and Amit played all year, they got to know him, easy fit into the team etc.. its much more difficult to know players in 2/3 weeks. And the spin-department is still a little bare (unless Khadry plays more regularly). But if United does make the playoffs (no certainty at this stage), they might well have become a bit of a threat with these additions, at least on paper!

c8w

who_what said...

You guys should know by now, Sadiq bhai is very non-confrontational, he will never speak up against his boy, no matter if it is for the right reason or not. sadiq, grow a pair and stand up for something, you seem to be falling for anything. just writing on the blog is one thing but taking action is another. how could you possibly be fair in umpiring if you are so enamored with individual players? as usual you will give the politically correct answer to this as well.

Alpesh said...

Thanks Dinesh, Aditya ..

Well .. I would say right now .. Springfield has not made into the play-offs for sure, as they have 34 points from their 14 matches .. Same for Arena .. if they lose to Jaguars next week .. they too will get stuck at 34 points .. and then net run-rate may come into the picture ... Sadiq Sir may come up with detailed analysis later ..

Well .. regarding the Jaguars -Giants game being postponed to 9/26 weekend ... it may be because of the Giants-Collinsville game not being played on 8/30 due to the scheduling fiasco .. now Giants are made to travel to Collinsville to play that game ... this is just what i think ..

Now for the top spot ... it seems to be a battle between Rovers, CCI, Madison .. The CCI-Madison match would decide that ...

Also heard that Perrin hit a double in our match ... 208 to be precise and we won the match off the last ball with Mughiz hitting a boundary off Perrin ..

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Moaz said...

Anyone know why the regular season is being pushed back to september 26-27 weekend? Why can't they wrap it all up on September 19-20 wknd? Is it because of eid?

Looks like the finals will be on october 17-18 wknd which means heavy dew in the grounds till late morning, a possibility of sub-40 degree weather, and sunset at or before 6. All I can say is that good luck playing 50 overs (or even playing cricket at all) in those conditions.

Dinesh_Rovers said...

I agree Moaz...Its getting ridiculous.. If teams cant play their matches on scheduled dates, they should just split points. you cant move games to 27th weekend and play playoffs till Oct 17th. It seems like punishing a lot of teams to accommodate a few....

Shekhs said...

Fellas...
FYI:
Abid Lahiri Final is tonite...

So please come on over and make it a big success...
There's gonna be food and refreshment...
Bring your humor...

Thanks
Shekhs

Rajiv said...

Scheduling has been a complete mess. Everyone knows this. Regarding teams splitting points if they cant play.. I dont agree on this. Because the scheduling changes does not happens because of the teams not being able to play. Its usually because of the Ground or some other Politics of MCC. Splitting points because of these reasons would just be unfair to some teams.

Jaguars has to play 2 games in St. Louis area this weekend and Giants the week after. None of our games have been moved due to Jaguars unavailability.

Guest_rule said...

Is there is a reason why no games are played in Washington Park except a total of 2 in two days. May be grounds not available??

I noticed before Friday last week that Chicago Giants/Jaguars were supposed to play in Heritage park on Sat and Gianst/Collinsville on sun in one of the Hanover park's. Madison/Collinsville played as scheduled originally before the start of last week.

Looks like there is a virus that keeps changing schedule based on its own needs and it could be Swine Flu :)-

Shekhs said...

satish,
The parK distt (WP) had allotted ground# 2 and 1 for some annual festival and hence # 2 wasnt available over the weekend.

Our game was scheduled there, but got moved to heritage park due to that...

Dinesh_Rovers said...

I agree with you Rajesh. if the league moved ur matches, its not fair to split points.. i didnt know if it was teams or league that moved these matches..

our first game this season against springfield, it was raining cats and dogs in sprinfield and nothing here in peoria. we asked the mgmt if we cud play in peoria instead to which, springfield agreed, but the mgmt wudnt...i never understood the logic behind that. we ended up playing only 10 games. 2 rained out and 2 walkovers. we cud have easily played one more..i thought the whole idea is to play as many games as possible..

fahad said...

who won the final of abid laheri tournament.......can someone plz update

Shekhs said...

Pak Gym won the final in a thriller...by 1 run at the last ball..

last ball 4 required to win..
Ami hit it high between long off and long on..
no mans land..
they ran 2..
and tried for a 3..but before the non striker left the crease..they took the bails out..
so they ran again..and pak tried to throw on the striker's end..
if they missed that..it would have been a tie..

boy!! what a cracker...one of the best finals I have ever seen...

great game....no loser in this one..!!

Congrats Pak Gym!!

fahad said...

congrats to pak gymkhana....
they finally won the night championshiop

hard luck to karachi.....
salman how much did u scored?????????

fahad said...

congrats to pak gymkhana....
they finally won the night championshiop

hard luck to karachi.....
salman how much did u scored?????????

Salman said...

I scored 15...
caught at gully by a good slow ball by Raheel

SpeedSensation said...

So I wonder how the team chemistry is at United?

They have not had the same xi for two games this year. And now theyve made a habit of importing all stars to save them...while ignoring the (not so) regulars.
Anyone know? I know this is why Abhijeet Joshi left last year or something dealing with this......

SS

fahad said...

abhijeet left last year because he wanted to play with u19 guys, with fahad n moin who are in flames....thats why he joined flames...but he decided to play in acc, thats why he is not playing in mcc more.

SpeedSensation said...

Fahad that could not have been the only reason he left UCC because there is 2 or 3 u19 guys on United at the moment, Not sure of their names i think Brian rathod ...Im just saying there is no point for United to be calling in players to help them get in the playoffs It is not fair to the rest of the teams.

straight_drive said...

Could someone please give a summary of the night final, sounds like a cracker! Shekh, Salman, Raheel, Yousaf?

Fake said...

yeah zamorin, a cracker of a game that I watched in recent times. Classic at HP yesterday. Congratulations for presiding over yet another successful AL tournament.

Aditya said...

Wow, what a game. Too bad I missed it. Congrats to Pak Gym on another Trophy. Unfortunate for Karachi, but they really played excellent cricket throughout the tournament.

Aditya said...

Speed,

I don't think it's unfair that they got "outside" players to come play for them. It's up to each team to do whatever it takes (within the spirit of the game) to get the best possible result. I say props to United for finding and bringing new talent to this league. It can only help the rest of us get better, right? :)

Shekhs said...

aiite fellas...here you go...

Abid Lahiri finals - Sep 15 2009

Pak Gym vs. Karachi XI

Pak gym captained by Irfan sohail and Karachi by Faisal Nafasat.

Pak won the toss and elected to bat ..(Surprise surprise)..

Irfan and Bakshi went about their usual business of tonking right away..until Faisal got Bakshi to pop up at mid off..
Irfan was cleaned up by Faisal with another beauty...
With the departure of Maqsood raza ..pak was in a bit of a bother..
Asher and Tayyab played sensibly for a few overs, taking the singles and doubles and pacing the innings nicely...until Asher got caught..
brief partnership between Abid and Tayyab took Pak over the 3 figure mark..with Tayyab hitting some massive sixes and fours..
still Pak looked like they might end up with 120 odd runs..
in comes Raheel...who hit 3 consecutive sixes in the last over to score 23 runs in the last over to post a good competitive score of 154.

Karachi started off well, inspite of losing faisal early..
salman and assad were scoring runs briskly...at a good rate...with odd boundaries and picking the extra run..
then suddenly karachi lost both of them..to be replaced by Afroze and yousuf..
they built a solid partnership with yusuf bhai going for big hits and afroze playing the ideal anchor...
it seemed like Karachi was going to win at this point..
until yufu bhai got out..
Still with some brief partnerships...karachi managed to stay in the chase..
Once afroze got bowled by raheel ...things started swinging towards pak..
13 runs were required of the last over..
1st ball 4.
2nd ball single..
3rd ball dot..
4th ball - no ball with a run..
4th ball - double
5th ball - dot
last ball - 4 required..
lofted high between long on and off...batsmen ran 2..tried to steal the 3rd...but was in the crease..the fielder removed the bail...batsmen took off for the 3rd..
fielder threw it to the keeper who dislodged the bails..


what a game..?

Shekhs said...

Thanks Fake...appreciate the support..

matter of fact, its the support from everybody that made it successful..
thanks to all who helped with umpiring..

Unknown said...

I was waiting for Preetam to post his summary.. since he hasn't .. I would like to highlight 2 events in our (Phoenix)previous with Eagles ..

1. Probably 2nd or 3rd over, Makesh tried to play and missed a fast out swinging delivery from Prasanna.. Keeper felt there was a nick and appealed for Caught behind.. half hearted appeal from bowler.. Umpire said NO..

When I turned to look at the Batting end.. Makesh was waking away !!..

2) Last wicket.. still chasing around maybe 15-20 runs.. Vasu tries to take single and the non striker is caught (barely) outside the crease when the keeper lift the bales..

With the Playoff hunt on line, on the line, the leg umpire still gave him OUT..

To me this shows the Character of this team.. especially when put in context with teams in this league which will resort to any tactics in order to stay in the game - from claiming exotic reasons like Obstruction to resorting to blatant cheating..

As a Keeper, I can only name a handful of teams, which would give out a stumping..

Hats off to Eagles.. you have earned my respect..

SpeedSensation said...

We have the extremes in our league....

one team that is willing to cut their season short to be honest (eagles)
and one team that is willing to cut the world apart to make the playoffs (united)

They least they can do is change their name for the rest of us
UCO- United Cricket Organization..the first team to outsource cricket!!

SpeedSensation said...

I guess I am being mean by only picking on United but I just thought this was an unfair practice that is taking place.
My playoff rankings:
Pak Gymkhana
Challengers
Chargers
Peoria
Milwaukee
Flames
United
Wilcats
thats what I think

SpeedSensation said...

Div 2:
Arena might win...who knows about Hansraj on his day.
Jaguars are up there as favorites.
I think jaguars should win it fairly easily.

30 30:
Not too sure, probabaly Rockers will end up winning, they look very strong and formidable...

Unknown said...

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SpeedSensation said...
I guess I am being mean by only picking on United but I just thought this was an unfair practice that is taking place.
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I dunno, doesnt seem too unfair to me... the rules are set up to make sure there are no "imports" - thats why anyone who plays must play 3 games to be eligible to play in the playoffs. Its when this "3 game minimum" rule is violated that IMHO its an unfair practice - but anyone who plays 3 games is *by definition* not an import in our league. The guys United has this year will all be around and playing for a few weeks, it isnt like theyre only here for one week or anything (theyre probably going to be around a month-plus, which is a fair bit!) Heck, in Div2 a couple years ago, to make the playoffs, a team once brought in 3 guys from New York just for one weekend game! That fits your "unfair" criteria a bit more, I think!

And from a cricketing point of view its actually a pretty good thing - I enjoyed umpiring Kiran Kumar and Amit last year, for example, its always great to have guys who have played at a high-level in the past play in our league, so our guys can test themselves against the best. Kiran Kumar, middle-order batsman in first-class cricket, played most of the season.. and while he did very well, won United the critical semi-final against PakGym etc, he didnt score a single century against our Division One guys (and 2 league-players, Dhiraj and Doc Naveed, eventually won the finals). This sort of thing is IMHO good for us - you test yourself against guys who have had 50-run partnerships with VVS Laxman, and you play them to a standstill...its a nice measuring-stick for our players to have, IMHO.

c8w

Unknown said...

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aka said...
You guys should know by now, Sadiq bhai is very non-confrontational, he will never speak up against his boy, no matter if it is for the right reason or not.
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Didnt check in for a couple days... am curious who "my boy" is supposed to be in this case, actually, please enlighten? :-)

As for the replay-vs-restart argument.. yes, my answer might well fit into the "politically correct" category again :-)

Personally, I thought the right thing would be to continue the 4th raintout - sort of like playoff games are continued. This is partially also because I always thought that *was* the rule, that these games would be continued... (unless Iam wrong I think most people thought theyd be continued, no? Most teams I talked to seemed to think theyd be continued a couple weeks ago, anyway) And partly because its rough to see good performances end up "eliminated" on the scorecard (poor Kabir scored a quite brilliant 133 in the game I umpired - he may well end up not winning the Batting Title by less than that amount if that game is restarted, which would be very rough on him).

But hey, I also do recognize that Iam just one guy with one opinion :-).. umpires dont make any rules, and arent supposed to - those are playing-condition-rules, and made by Rules Committee etc. You can make a case for "replay" over "continue" easily enough.. what would be *unfair* is if its unevenly applied, if only some games are replayed and others are continued etc. If all such games across the league are being replayed and not continued... then it may not be rule I wholeheartedly agree with, obviously, but not neccesarily unfair :-)

So *are* all such games being replayed from scratch, BTW? Do the Royals no longer have 185 on the board to defend against MuslimGym? Is MuslimGym no longer defending 180 in 30 overs (on Ground 1 astro) against United? It changes things quite a bit for all concerned, obviously - both playoffs as well as relegation races! (Id suspect Royals would be quite happy with 185 to defend... United OTOH, chasing 180 in 30 with their "old team" against MuslimGym, is in probably a much better situation with a started-from-scratch game which could now include their brand-new additions in their XI too).

c8w

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who_what said...

SpeedSensation said...
We have the extremes in our league....

one team that is willing to cut their season short to be honest (eagles)
and one team that is willing to cut the world apart to make the playoffs (united)

They least they can do is change their name for the rest of us
UCO- United Cricket Organization..the first team to outsource cricket!!
___________________________________
it sounds like you just called these guys cheats??? That is a bit extreme... How do you gather getting better cricketers as cheating? Are you of the Mentality that the league should not have better competition? do you fear better crickters? Are you afraid to raise the level of cricket within the league? You seemed embittered, maybe you have not played at a high level or you have , but ask anyone; playing agianst or with better cricketers only raises your level of cricket.
my 2 pennies...

Shekhs said...

I agree with aka and finger....

speed,
I think getting better cricketers only raises the level of cricket in our league...its very good for the league...
matter of fact, they didnt do anything illegal against the league rules....they just got a few players to make a stronger roster...
I think other teams should take this as a challenge and try to beat them...thats what its all about...
my pennies as well..

moe moe said...

hey speed sensation is that your div 1 playoff prediction??

If so how do u count purdue, muslimgym,Phoenix,and St.Louis out already and put chargers in??? You might need a calcutlater to add 4 points to there total??? There is no way they can make the playoff??? There are 4 teams already ahead off them and even if they win there last game they will make 26 points.

Any predictions for games this weekend, it should clean up alot of playoff mess!!!! Good luck to all teams !!!!

Shekhs said...

whatever you do Moe...please dont be # 8..we dont want to deal with the brothers in the QFs....hahaha...
just kiddin..

its like the mafia...

moe moe said...

hey sheks man we always love being underdogs, I know challengers and pak might be concerned if we make 7or 8. However we would like to concentrate on first winning tomorrows game. So we can have a good chance of making playoffs!!!! Do you think 30 points is enough to make it this year?? If not man this year is tough one!!! Back in the days 26-28 guranteed a playoff chance but not this year. There is balance talent all around and major upsets all year long!!! But thats sports for u, What u say about bears!!!

ice_cold said...

Will there be games played at Wash park tomorrow? I heard that the event is still going on their?

Shekhs said...

Muslim is always a tough team, especially in the playoffs...

I think 30 points will get one team in....so you really need to keep track on your run rate - NRR.

You still have 2 games left..so if you can notch up both...you guys are in..

I know this is a tough year ....team with 21 points can get relegated....let alone making playoffs...now thats crazy..

Da Bears!!! well, the biggest disappointment is #54 - he's done for the season, so thats a bummer....regardless of who you get for a linebacker, you're still without you captain and emotional leader.....so we have a void..
I liked what I saw from an offensive stand point last sunday, cutler made some decent plays, but our receivers were responsiblefor at least 3/4 interceptions..

cutler even setup the win with 2 mts left...if only our defense could've read the packers 3rd and 3 play correctly...

I think the bears will have a decent season - playoffs - yes...dunno after that..

oh well..

ice_cold said...

Is it true that United Cricket Club has played people from ACC throught the season for their team? If that's the case, I wonder if Rogers park will do the same to keep their place in Div1. It's do or die for them against WC, the team which just kicket Milwaukee's A**!!

The management should really implement this rule striclty or scrap it. It's really BS if United has been violating this rule throught the season.

Fake said...

It is true for Flames and MWCA teams as well last year. Their kids played in both leagues under different surnames. Instead of Babbar it was Khan in ACC (Youngsters CC, IIRC). Other kids also played in ACC last year.

Action cannot be taken, because the law is stupid and unconstitutional and needs to be scrapped from next year onwards.

moe moe said...

ANY PREDICTIONS GUYS?? I AM BORED AT WORKKKKK!!!!!!!!!

ice_cold said...

I think Moe wants somebody to predict that Muslim Gym won the championship and Moe is Man of the Match of final.

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moe moe said...

ice cold i wish i could be man of the match one day, but i will take the champion ship tropy any day:)

moe moe said...

Since no one is predicting i am gonnaa do it myself fellas no harm meant:)

St. loius vs United =united with new talent

Eagles vs Milwaukee = milwaukee

Pak vs pheonix = Pak unless Pheonix get bakshi and irfan out early.

Roger Park vs Wildcats= wildcats
Hoping rogers park can bring some bats trying to save there divison.

Muslim vs Royals = i pick Muslim cuz we need to make playoffs lol.

Shekhs said...

kem cho nipunya.....
joyi joyine...

Thats a lotta cricket merchant in here bud..hahaha....

Unknown said...

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moe moe said...
hey speed sensation is that your div 1 playoff prediction??
If so how do u count purdue, muslimgym,Phoenix,and St.Louis out already and put chargers in???
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Iam not Speed.. but I think he just made a typo and put "Chargers" instead of "Purdue".. and he was probably just predicting the 8 teams that would make the playoffs :-) If you look at it that way it actually makes sense - ie he has Phoenix and StLouis not making it, and Flames nipping MuslimGym (all of which are theoretically possible).

c8w

moe moe said...

flames have a good chance like us sadiq but we have an advantage of having one more game then them and a better nrr. i hope we can keep it:) Since u would want to watch kamis extra cover sixers in playoffs dont u????

moe moe said...

Guys i will be driving by washington park around 530 today and will keep you posted, hopefully the tents will gone and we can play cricket, i will post and update later on tonite.

Unknown said...

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moe moe said...
However we would like to concentrate on first winning tomorrows game. So we can have a good chance of making playoffs!!!! Do you think 30 points is enough to make it this year?? If not man this year is tough one!!! Back in the days 26-28 guranteed a playoff chance but not this year. There is balance talent all around and major upsets all year long!!!
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Well, generally 32 got you into the playoffs.. 28 might have been a contender, but not many 28 point-ers have ever actually made the playoffs IIRC.This year you wont need 32.. the Wildcats can screw up a lot of people by getting to 31 (which may possibly be the cutoff point).. else it'll be 30 probably.

The relegation battle is more intense than usual, though - its already a minimum of 17, possibly even 20-21 being relegated. This is new to our league.. but its the way it should be, everyone battling till the end for something :-) (In Seattle they have a pretty cool system - they have a Div1 of 8 teams, IIRC, and the *big* thing is to win regular season, consistency over the course of the entire year the most important thing, trophies awarded and all. But then they also have a playoff-winner.. and 6 teams make playoffs, other 2 get relegated to Div2 :-) This keeps everything dynamic - Div2 teams come up every year, lots of decent teams have a chance of going down if they dont have a great year.. but then can try and come right back up, too).

This year Div2 for us is even better than Div1 in this way! Its great competition, great cricket, everyone about similar level - better balance than even in Div1! Look at it this way.. Jaguars have 3 games left right now in the season... 2 in StLouis, 1 vs Giants. They can, at the moment, lose and miss the playoffs entirely, finishing 9th. Or, if they win all 3 games, they could likely finish #1 in the entire Div2 and earn automatic promotion to Div1 (and this is something everyone in Div1 is praying for, because theyre are scared silly at the thought of 2 "away teams" entering Div1 next year :-) Thats how closely everyone is bunched in Div2 right now, its amazing!

This is all very good for the league IMHO.. and I really really hope the teams that end up in the bottom-two in Div1 this year realize this, and dont see the demotion as a "death-sentence". Div2 is playing very good quality cricket (far higher than 30/30 IMHO), the travels are likely decreasing next year (probably thru promotions), and lots of teams are at a pretty good level (unlike in the past when there were too many very weak teams, now its much more "level" across Div2). For any team that gets demoted from a very balanced Div1 this year, they ought to IMHO make sure they stay together, go down to Div2 where they will play decent competition week-in and week-out... they should use it as a chance for renewal, and to win back their rightful spots in Div1 again next season! Thats how it should work in the league *every* year - you go up, you go down, there's nothing wrong with it, both divisions are currently well-balanced and playing a good level of cricket.

c8w

Unknown said...

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moe moe said...
Do you think 30 points is enough to make it this year?? If not man this year is tough one!!! Back in the days 26-28 guranteed a playoff chance but not this year. There is balance talent all around and major upsets all year long!!!
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BTW, quick research done :-) The 8th spot for the Div1 playoffs race over the years:

2004: 30 (Rogers Park), Mil,Book Club 30 (10 went to playoffs IIRC)
2005: 32 (Tigers), 9 Milw 28
2006: 32 (Muslim Gym), 9 Fl 28
2007: 32 (Pak Gym), 9 RP 32
2008: 30 (Peoria), 9 Cats 28

So basically the 8th spot has been either 30 or 32 every year the past several years - ever since the league went to a 14-game schedule (from the previous 16 games). Quite remarkable - and no wonder everyone says at the start of the season itself that "32 is playoffs"... for only one 32-point-team in history has failed to make the playoffs (Rogers Park, controversially missing out on run-rate a couple of years ago)!

This year it is theoretically possible that if the Wildcats win and get 31, they will make it as the 8th team... in reality IMHO at least one 30-point team is likely to make it as well.. mathematically StLouis could get in at 28 but its very much a long shot at this point, one would think.

c8w

P.S. BTW, the biggest game of this weekend is... CCI vs Madison in Div2 :-) Probably because the winner has a *very* good chance of making Div1 as the automatic-champ of Div2 (CCI with a win are definitely in Div1; Madison with a win would tie Rovers and CCI, and then it would come down to run-rate; or Jaguars could win all 3 games and then *they* would probably make it, because they have the best run-rate in the division at the moment).

c8w

Madew said...

Fresh news of the grape vine...Madison is giving a walk over to CCI..(I know this cuz I am involved in sending the umpires to this game) Its pity for Madison..Hence CCI in Div-I (Haven't checked permutations and combinations; Jags has chance so I assume) but for now Welcome CCI to Div1...:-)

Madew

tatabybycu said...

c8w, the biggest game of div 2 2009 is over.. had a sad demise even before it was born.

Tough luck Rovers... or maybe not.

Unknown said...

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Madew said...
Fresh news of the grape vine...Madison is giving a walk over to CCI..(I know this cuz I am involved in sending the umpires to this game) Its pity for Madison..Hence CCI in Div-I (Haven't checked permutations and combinations; Jags has chance so I assume) but for now Welcome CCI to Div1...:-)
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This is really terrible news if its true.. huge game, and I know Madison has been a contender for many years trying to get to Div1 but falling short, really bad to give a walkover at this stage. But theyve had trouble putting up decent (or any) 11's for Chicago games in general this year with travel etc... and with a 4-hour-plus travel each way to Urbana (ie 8+ hours total travel) on the day before Eid, they must not have been able to find 11 players at all!

And yes, congrats to CCI on making Div1 - and theyve made it now, with this win they get to 44 polnts.. Rovers are at 40, and if Jaguars win all 3 remaining games they can also only get to 40, nobody in Div2 can get to 44 other than CCI (which they will, if this walkover is confirmed).

c8w

Alpesh said...

So will Madison be thrown out of play-offs? As, they will be at 32 points due to negative 4 points they will receive as a result of giving a walkover ...

Guest_rule said...

Sadiq, Madison has only 5 away games scheduled in total and hence travel can't be a reason for walkover.

Also, Madison seems to have much larger pool of players than some of the teams and they play lot of 20/20 leather ball cricket to tap in players.

Anyway, this week's much awaited match ended without even playing which is a shame.

Guest_rule said...

Check the website www.madisoncricket.org and it clears shows that they give more importance to local league than MCC..what a shame..

Dinesh_Rovers said...
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Dinesh_Rovers said...

Is there negative points for giving walkover like Alpesh mentioned??

Dinesh_Rovers said...

First off I would like to congratulate CCI on a great season and getting into Div 1. You guys deserve it!

For others, theres always the other route of winning three games and getting in :)

Anyways, also check with your playoff opponents whether they are coming before you head to chicago. I dont know, whats next, a playoff walkover maybe ;)

moe moe said...

pak is chasing 330 against pheonix at hammond what a cracker!!!!

naren said...

wildcats beat Rogers park today at Washington park.

Rogers Park scored 140 allout, and WC chased the score in the 38th over with the loss of 6 wickets.

moe moe said...

wow another gr8 week of cricket.

updates united lost to st. louis defending 270 amit got a ton.

Pheonix beat pak

so the playoff bottom 2 spots are wide open for pheonix, muslim, flames and united. Who will make it???

Congrats to wildcats for making plaoffs again!!!

Unknown said...

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moe moe said...
wow another gr8 week of cricket.
updates united lost to st. louis defending 270 amit got a ton.
Pheonix beat pak
so the playoff bottom 2 spots are wide open for pheonix, muslim, flames and united. Who will make it???
Congrats to wildcats for making plaoffs again!!!
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Yes, congrats to the Wildcats - big win, and theyre now in for sure with 31 points, and dont have to sit biting their nails like everyone else. A word of condolence for Rogers Park though - a side that played hard all year, had so many close contests all year long, but unluckily ended up on the short side of too many of them in the end. I hope they go to Division Two and use it as an opportunity to renew themselves, add a couple of good young guys, and come back to Division One strong in a year's time.

As for the rest of the playoff picture in Div1...4 teams for 2 spots (MuslimGym, Phoenix, United and Flames). BTW, lots of credit to PakGym for playing the way they did today. Playing with 9 players, having given up 330 on the board, they could easily have laid down and collapsed... and if they had, Phoenix could have won by 150 and jumped over lots of other teams in the critical NRR. Instead, with only 9 players, Pak made 300 - and while its a crucial win for Phoenix, the lack of big-margin may well prove vital for them in the end.. Phoenix will be one of the nail-biters next week, watching what others do now.

The huge critical game next week.. United vs MuslimGym. Does *anyone* know for sure if this game is a continuation or a replay-from-start? If so please let us know - that decision alone may well decide the entire playoffs :-) United has to win to get to the playoffs with 32.. MuslimGym could still make it even with a loss and NRR on 30, maybe. Phoenix is 30 right now, and Flames could get to 30 by beatign Eagles (in what will now be an inconsequential game for the Eagles).

Should be a fun last week :-)

c8w

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Satish said...
Sadiq, Madison has only 5 away games scheduled in total and hence travel can't be a reason for walkover.
Also, Madison seems to have much larger pool of players than some of the teams and they play lot of 20/20 leather ball cricket to tap in players.
Satish said...
Check the website www.madisoncricket.org and it clears shows that they give more importance to local league than MCC..what a shame..
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Heh :-) We've had this discussion earlier in the year, Satish :-) Youd be shocked how much people *dont* want to travel, when they have the option of getting cricket in their near-vicinity :-)

Ive umpired a few Madison games this year (umpired their only 2 losses this year until a week ago, even), so Ive talked to them and gotten a fair idea of their situation. They have a very strong local 20/20 league that is thriving... and actually as a result very *few* of those good players want to commit to a full days 40-over cricket, apparently! (You'll notice in the above website that a few of the star players are actually former Madison regulars from our league! Heck, even the "best umpire", Naval, was a regular player last year for them :-) Still, Madison has managed to rotate a few of those players in and out for home games, and put up a potentially very strong "first XI" if they ever got one together (which they never really did).

However, they *have* struggled in away games already.. I umpired their loss to Hammond, for instance, and they told me in the morning itself that they considered calling and giving a walkover hte previous evening! That was because they had 7 players only the previous evening... and made it up to 11 by getting the captain Aslam's brother (who lives in Chicago), and 3 of his friends who joined in last-minute.. none of whom the Madison-players had actually met until the morning of the game :-)

Of course, this is nobody's fault but Madison's own - they have to live with the fact that they wont now make Div1 automatically, and suffer any other penalties that are in the rules for walkovers etc. This is as it shoudl be. But I was just suggesting above - in their situation they *do* seem to have problems getting a team for travelling games, and it was probably one of the major reasons for their walkover this week - I cant think of another logical reason, honestly :-)

This is also true in Milwaukee BTW - Milwaukee United dropped out of our league this year (from Divsion One!) because they couldnt get a regular 11 together! I met 2 of the former Milwaukee United guys today (Sadiq and Badri), who are both now playing for the other Milwaukee team ocassionally. They told me *their* Milwaukee-United local club is thriving this year - they have over 100 member! They have 5 different teams in Milwaukee United this year, playing 20/20 every weekend! But, from 100 members, they cannot find 11 who are willing to commit to 40 overs (including 3/4 travel games) over the course of a season! Thus they are not sure if they'll be able to put up a team (in Div2) even next year! Its a pretty sad state of affairs, but it is what it is - 100 enthusiastic club cricketers, and not 10% of them willing to play (with only a few travel games) in our league.. and this for a team that was a Division One semifinalist only like 3 years ago!

I still wonder what will happen next year with Div2... already Illinois has said theyre going to 30/30, and a couple weeks ago some Div1 teams on the verge of relegation were saying theyd go to 30/30 if relegated, not Div2... unless the regional-thing is done to some little extent this offseason, I wonder how many Div2 teams will commit to playign at the start of next year. (The best thing for the league might be to have 2 away teams be promoted to Div1.. at least that way the travel will be a little more equalized, even if much harder for Div1 next year :-)

c8w

Moaz said...

So it is confirmed after today that both royals and rogers park will be relegated.

Both are really good teams and their relegation shows how competitive division 1 has become.

Tough luck to st louis, as phoenix, wildcats, and milwaukee wins today have knocked them out of the playoffs. So now basically United, Muslim, and Flames control their own destiny and phoenix have to sit out and hope that things set in the right place for them....Should be a pretty exciting next week (if rain doesn't kill it)

The team to watch out in the play off is wildcats after two back to back really good clutch wins. Also Muslim will always be a team to watch out for if we make it ;)

Rajiv said...

It is so sad to hear that Madison gave walkover to CCI. It's absolute bullshit that they cannot put a team together. We (jaguars) have had such a hard time putting a team together but walkover is never an option. If Madison was fighting for a playoff spot there is no way they would have given a walkover. And this is where mcc rules shud penalize Madison for spoiling the points table for other.

Madison really screwed us by giving a walkover. We comfortably won against collinsville yesterday. Vishal 4 wkts with a hattrick, nandan 57 runs with 3 wkts, rajiv 48. We scored 217/10 in 40 overs and got them all out for 160.

With yesterdays win, and 2 more games coming up for us, we had a chance to top the table if Madison won... Neways now we will get to divison 1 thru the championship route.

Dinesh_Rovers said...

From what I have heard, Madison will lose 4 points for the walk over. which puts them at 32 points and will eliminate them from the play offs.

It opens up a spot for Springfield who have 34 points into the playoffs..

Great win Rajiv!! So you guys play Arena today?? That should be a good game. Also, you guys play Giants on Thursday??? whats a night game? how do you play 40 overs as a night game? start at 2 PM?

with your match being played on 24th, any chance we might have the playoffs next weekend?

Rajiv said...

Because of the management shenanigans and politics of scheduling, we have to play a Thursday game. giants don't want to play back to back matches next weekend... We are playing back to back matches in st Louis this weekend. How does management allow this kind of crap? Why can giants not play back to back matches. Anyways for now we are playing giants on Thursday for 30-30 game I think, which sucks coz 30-30 is a whole diff ball game.

Sadiq - please don't support Madison for not putting together 11 players out of the available 120 players in their 20-20 league... I can bet if Madison-cci was a game for playoff spot... Madison would have put together a team... If they are not penalized for this it's gonna be a shame on mangement.

Dinesh_Rovers said...

I agree with Rajiv. If Madison was in No1 spot and a win against CCI, would have assured them their No1 spot, they would have played the game.

They lost to collinsville the week before and they figured they had no chance to finish No1. So, they would rather take it easy and give a walk over. They need to be penalised for this kind of attitutde. Maybe now, they wont even be in playoffs because of that walk over..

Anyways, reg. scheduling I wont even go there, as there seem to be no method to their madness.. we have to play whenever they want us to, but some teams can choose to play when they want... :(

Fake said...

The larger objective of MWCC is to promote cricket in the midwest, but it does not mean we need teams at 5 hours driving distance. Its time to take some hard decisions to preserve cricket in Chicagoland and near-chicagoland area. My opinion is we should focus on building a 30-team division 2 to ensure division 1 has good teams in the long-run. In order to do this,

1. We need to limit division 2 travel to 3 games maximum (less the better).

2. Limit the teams that can register and play in MWCC based on distance. For example: Springfield and St.Louis teams may have to be forced to leave the league. (This is a hard decision, but MAY have to be taken).

3. Once the bounday delimitation exercise (if you will) is complete, then restructure division 2 to ensure a maximum of 3travel games( regional groups, repeat matches etc).

SpeedSensation said...

Im pretty sure Fake is Sadiq.

Fake said...

Madison's walkover is not well received by teams that thought they had a chance to lead the points table. Hence the outburst. But technically,

Madison had the right to give a walkover and lose 4 points. I don't think there's anything sinister, unlike the Pak Gym's walkover against Chargers couple of years ago.

tatabybycu said...

Fake, positive analysis with good ideas. Here are a few more:

1. MWCC is mid west CC - so, if Chicago teams want to play in Chicago they should create a Chicago Cricket League... it would be better to do this because setting up the conf. and running it would be easier.

2. If 5 Hrs of travel is a problem then an option would be to make the teams play at a neutral venue. Say, Peoria, Campn, Purdue. so, the burden of traveling would shift a little more to the teams that are 5hrs away...if they really want to be a part of the league they can chose to by traveling, more often, midway.

3. "Its time to take some hard decisions to preserve cricket in Chicagoland and near-chicagoland area". Dont worry, cricket will survive in Chicago if people *want* to play the game. Its just not going to be in the form some may like... why is playing 30/30 cricket worse than playing 40/40. If we can play more 30/30 then great!

Fake said...

Bro,
The problem with playing in neutral venues is the ground availability. We may have issues if say a Chicago team meets St.Louis team midway in a ground owned by some other team.

BTW, I am not suggesting a chicago cricket league just for chicago teams. I am suggesting we limit the teams to some reasonable distance. As an example I threw in St.Louis and Springfield.

Look at this, Madison gave a walkover in probably *the* most important game this weekend because of unavailability of players to travel. So, this suggests clearly that travel is becoming an issue.

tatabybycu said...

Dinesh, I see your logic.. on why Madison gave the WO. I would however venture to say that they did not consider -4 points rule before deciding to do so.

CCI is a travel game for sure for Chicago teams and 5/6 teams in the playoffs in div2 are likely to be away teams as well... so likely that 2 more away games for Div I next year. unless there is some gerrymandering... Fake, conditions are ripe..time to push hard :)

tatabybycu said...

Fake, I agree status quo is not acceptable not because traveling is bad, but because from a league perspective WO are unacceptable. I do however resent the idea that a team cannot put up 11, for a game scheduled, months in advance is acceptable even if it is a travel game. Its just unsportsmanlike thats all.

I am brainstorming solutions as well. Just, that I am not limiting myself to the idea of removing the travel teams. If it comes to removing them, so be it. I am sure the away teams will find ways to play to cricket, probably more, without WOs :),.. just that it will not be with us.

Fake said...

Bro,

I am not suggesting limiting teams by distance is the only option/solution. Its one of the options we have.

Some of these away teams already play in local leagues. They have issues traveling and hence could not assemble a XI to travel outside.

In any case, division 2 has to be fixed next year.

On these lines, it will help if Rogers Park and Royals play in Division 2 and attempt to move up to Division 1. If RP and Royals do that, they would earn everybody's respect. Shiraz used to be VP, AL tournament and also ran on Jaggi's ticket. So, as a senior person in the league he should influence his team to play in Division 2. It will help Division 2. Not sure what the plans are for Royals.

Anonymous said...

Jaguars Vs Arena match is rained out.

Rohit

Cupid said...

Jaguars became the second Chicago team to make it to the playoffs.

Div II looks like (even if Jaguars lose their game against Giants)

1) CCI
2) Rovers
3) Arena
4) Titans
5) QC Kings
6) Jaguars
7) Springfield

8) Collinsville/Giants/Madison

Any predictions?

I believe whatever team makes the 8th spot, CCI will not go past the semi-finals in the playoffs and make take CCI out in the first round of playoffs.

Madew said...

Here is my 2 cents on the traveling issues. WE the away team travel SAME number of games as Chicago teams or sometimes MORE. Distance between point A to Point B is same as from point B to Point A. Chicago teams please quite WINING! You can look at our schedule of all previous years. Some times bloggers make statements as IF we 'Away' teams don't travel at ALL through the season. That ends my argument there. Here is the food for thought!

Here is perfect solution for next year.
1. Make one Premier Division in Midwest Conference and Scrap Div-II.
2. Combined membership to form ONE premier division should be limited to 28 team only.
3. Divide them into North Conference and South Conference (Based on this year standings in both Div-1 and Div-II)
4. North Conference will have total of 14 teams. Following teams:
Aways teams: Milwaukee CC, Madison, QCKings, Purdue, + 10 Chicago teams
5. South Conference will have total of 14 teams. Following Teams:

Away Team: Peoria, St. Louis (one team Arena+Kutis+Collinsville), Spring field, CCI+JRovers, + 10 Chicago Teams.

6. Top 8 teams in each conference will play playoffs in their respective home grounds for their respective conference cup. Say if Chicago Team seeded higher than Team playing with them will Travel to Chicago. If 'away' team seeded higher then Team from Chicago will travel to respective home ground of the 'away' team. This will increase the competition for seeding as Teams will fight for their home grounds advantage as in any professional league. Leagues responsibility will be to send neutral umps for the playoffs.

8.TOP 2 teams in each conference will travel to Chicago to play cream De la creme Midwest Conference CUP with festivities of MCC planned around these games on a SUPER weekend. Games will be back to back on Sat Semi's and Sunday Finals. THAT will end season on high note..

9. Next season once again we start over with away teams being the same and Chicago teams distributed to the conference based on seeding. 1 will go North, 2 will go south so on and so forth.

9. Total games played 13+3(conference Finals)+2 (MCC CUP FINALS) = 18 games.Total Weeks of games 17 Weeks. Start Around May 1st week. End my Oct 2 st week Max (total of 22 weeks minus 3 long weekends = 19 weeks)

10. Advantages of this model:
1. Gives a chance for teams to merge. Say Evanston and Illinois to form one super Carribean team. Or Imagine a combined team of St. Louis+Arena+ Collinsville. A force to reckon with. Thus resulting in good competition and Diversity.
2. This model can be tweaked to reduce number of Chicago teams as well to balance season more. But we need to keep away teams number constant so as to balance the travel in both conference.
3. Travel to the each away team is less than 3 hrs. one occasion it might more than 3 but logistics can be worked out based on distance.
4. This will keep everyone happy with traveling and will ONLY increase competition in our league.
4. While the MCC Cup is going on they can have other interesting games like Presidents 11 Vs Resof MCC or something like that with talented cricketers that didn't make to the playoffs, with prize distributing ceremony on Sunday evening.
5. This will save lot of money for the league and finish the season on a grand note.

Any questions please post and I will try to answer? I do understand the logistics of mixing the teams and it will very tough decision for the teams involved. Having said that if some one has better plan please post it?

Thanks
Madew

Madew said...

Forgot to add strict penalties for team giving walk overs with suspension both monetary and docking points as well suspension.

Rajiv said...

Jaguars vs. Arena match rained out. This ensures that both Arena and Jaguars enter the playoffs.

Guys let me remind you, Madison is on 36 points not 32 as shown in points table. They should be fined and penalized for not updating their scorecard all the way until the last week of this regular season. Points table showing 32 points for madison has created so much confusion with multiple teams i have talked to.

Collinsville is out of competition.

This is what the Points table looks like:

IF JAGUARS beat GIANTS:
1. CCI
2. Rovers
3. Jaguars
4. Arena
5. Madison
6. Titans
7. Q.C.Kings
8. Springfield

IF GIANTS WIN BOTH THEIR NEXT GAMES:
1. CCI
2. Rovers
3. Arena
4. Madison
5. Titans
6. Q.C.Kings
7. Jaguars
8. Springfield

Dinesh_Rovers said...

I like your idea Madhu.. I think the teams that are left in Div 2 are pretty much good quality teams and the others will merge and form stronger teams if your proposed idea happens.

Anyways, with what seems like very less teams left out in Div 2 next year, I hope the league will re-align and make it work so that everyone can enjoy some quality cricket :)

I dont want to see Div 2 teams left out next year :( That would suck!!!

Dinesh_Rovers said...

Rajiv,

Madison has 36 points. But if they are penalised 4 points for their walkover, they will end up with 32 points which will eliminate them from the playoff contention.

Then I think, Giants and Collinsville have a chance to make it..

Rajiv said...

Dinesh,
Do you really think management is efficient enough to be able to take a decision and deduct 4 points... ;)

Anonymous said...

Dinesh & Rajiv, this point penalty i guess has hardly ever happened .... Can't really think of any situation when this happened.

I really hope some action is been taken on this walkover thing, spoils the spirit of the game....

Good luck to all with the Playoffs....

Unknown said...

Madew,
Lot teams don't want to reconccile, If you remember Arena was formed because of all the BS within Kutis, Your team was formed because you don't want to play with few of your x-teammates, so don't take me wrong and i'm not here to argue you are right or wrong, but since making a point to you, an instance related to you would make lot of sense. but again while point being there is there are more than 2 or 3 teams in particular small area because either they don't want to play togetther or few members don't like each other, so in short your idea of merging teams might not give the best results.
MY 0.02 CCCCCCCCCCCCCC

PEACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Unknown said...

i just noticed this guys but did you see who the umpire is for muslim/united contest next week, the one and only arshad yusuf, now i know they are going to say it was just there for the namesake, they were going to remove it, but why his name out of all this 200+ umpires in the league. His team has direct interest in the outcome of muslim/united game.
Maybe it is a genuine error, i guess i'm getting geeked up for no reason and that too at 7 am .
Peaceeeeeeeeeeeeee

Madew said...

Cool..
I was just suggesting a solution to fix travel voes. Biggest concern next year is collapse of DIV-II and popularity of 30/30 growing in Chicago area. We have tight knit teams in each conference and it would be a shame for them to perish because concerns were never addressed. Assuming home base is in Chicago for our conference, the biggest issue was traveling more than 4 hrs (back to back). I would assume team would be okay to travel 1 game in entire season for 4 hrs rather than multiple times. I worked on my model based on 2 biggest concerns:
1. Back to back away games
2. <=4 away games. with ONLY one game in each conference with more than 4 hrs travel. Rest are all less than 2 - 2.5 hrs Travel.

Next year Div-II will be bound to crash as there will be ONLY few Chicago teams left and more away teams. It will not sustain season model of 14 games per season which has been the tradition in MWCC with less 4 away games, unless there are MORE teams that are willing to travel for more than 7 times. I completely agree that ALL three St. Louis teams are very talented. Also I would agree with team mates having issues playing in one particular team (Myself having through it personally), but if choices are made based on concerns this would be the best honest choice. I would rather have ONE VERY SUPER competitive team playing Premier Division with 20 player roster than have 3 teams with talent distributed over 3 teams having roster of 15 players. If TEAMS don't give chance to their young and talented cricketers than that's their prerogative. As you see TEAMs in our league have gotten very competitive and WILL not sustain the competition. My model again this ONLY a proposal for merger of teams and Away teams should remember that even Chicago teams WILL merge to form SUPER teams. Say like Titans and Chicago Giants to form ONE big super CHITANS..for Premier division. ONE thing we should feel happy and blessed about is that our conference have so many talented teams and WE enjoy our cricket to CORE. This is ONLY to manage our conference better and make it THE BEST competitive conference in ENTIRE USA. Period!

Guest_rule said...

Another important date to watch our for is OCT 2nd. On this date we will know if Chicago will be picked as host for 2016 olympics or not.

If Chicago is picked to host 2016 olympics then we will have even fewer grounds.

Nobody likes travelling for that matter but if league's objective is to represent midwest region then they need to include more outside teams as well within the reasonable distance else it is only a city based local league.

Madison is an interesting case where they do play lot of cricket locally but don't want to travel themselves and expect others to come. I don't know the actual reason for the walkover but if it is due to travel then they are a bad apple.

Consider the expenses given by the league to maintain turf and ground. It is profitable for them to play home games and still crib about travel and inturn get reimbursed.

They will surely join every year to get back some money and local league still runs at the expense of league's money.

These are things that will surely hurt the league long term.

My 2cents and no hard feelings.

tatabybycu said...

I dont think deducting 4 points has anything to do with managements effeciency as there is no clause in the rules that make this a subjective decision:

"19.5. Any club intending to miss the game must inform the opposing captain and the League, at least 48 hours in advance to avoid any penalties. This shall however be treated as a walkover given and will result in -4 points. Any team failing to inform the league 48 hours in advance about their inability to play or if the minimum number of players fail to report at the ground, resulting in forfeiture of a match shall not only be docked 4 points but shall also be penalized $100 to take care of the umpiring fees and other administrative costs. The opponents in this case would be awarded the full 4 (Four) points. The fine needs to be paid before being allowed to play the next match."

Management has the power to add back 4 points, after deducting it, IF there is a clause that permits this. I hate to bring this up but if they do ADD 4 points, unilaterally, then they open themselves up again to stupid lawsuits.

Madew, great ideas. One more, may be controvercial but it is an idea:

Looking at things from a monetary perspective and charging more for participation based on distance. So, further you are away from Chicago more you pay to participate. This should comfort the chicago teams becasue it subsidizes them.

Shekhs said...

Madew,
excellent ideas....we should definitely check with all the teams during our AGM..

It will be nice to get each team's opinion and also understand what they would like to do to resolve this travel issue..

I like your idea, better than the regionalizing one, as that kinda would suck for some away teams as they play the same team over and over again..

Taze bro....I dont think we should categorize the payments. I believe each team should pay the same amount regardless ofthe geographical location...

great discussion guys...

Fake said...

Good idea Madew. The league management needs to look into this seriously.

tatabybycu said...

Great! if the league goes forward with ~ "madew formula" we need to get this thing done NOW before the end of this year.. bcoz its a lot more difficult to horse trade in winter or early in the year. Teams that want to merge can merge and if others want to leave the league they will have time to do so.

also, I dont think it would be right for the league to say who has to merge with whom but they can say we want to spread cricket.. so Desmoins gets 1 team, springfield gets 1 team, peoria gets 1 team, stlouis gets 1 team etc..

and add to "madew formula" the following:

1. Longer history with the league will be given preference.
2. Teams that have a home ground will be give the right to field a team first.. and they can,for the lack of a better word, scavenge from other teams to combine and create a team.

Just an idea..may be a bad one.. but can be debated :)

second idea would be to also start a 20:20 or 30:30 format for "southzone" as well for those who just want to have fun.. logistics for this can be a nightmare. But, again, only an idea.

Madew said...

I agree with DTMB...I am sure more people can add more creative ideas and tweak this model..Dead line needs to set by the league and 'Horse' trading and 'mergers' need to happen so as to have 28 teams total. We need have a clear picture by end of Jan or so. Needs little bit extra work first year but, Once model is set in motion it will take care of itself every year. If more teams emerge, we can always make more conference zones like East that would go with QC Kings and west that can go with Purdue, even more reducing the travel burden to the teams. But that's for future.

Madew

Shekhs said...

We should take a poll among all the div 1 and div 2 teams before jan...

Madew et all....
Regardless of whatever model we bring next year, there's gonna be that bit of travel....at least 2, maybe 3 travel games, which I think is reasonable...

msa said...

I can't speak for the other teams but we already have a roster of 17-18 guys. If teams are forced to merge I can guarantee that we would be ensuring folks into early retirement. Not a good thing.

I believe there is still hope for the current format as long as we limit travel to 3 games. We might have to ensure that all the chicago teams play each other (7-8 games or so depending on the number of teams), have the chicago teams travel 3 times a year and have the outstation teams travel into chicago 3 times a year. Since I have never been involved in scheduling I don't know how the ground availability ties into this but it appears doable.

And before everyone jumps on me ... I haven't thought through this too much, I just felt that merging teams is not a good idea. Folks, like Madew can walk into any team but the average joes, like yours truly, will not find a place in an all star Chitans team. What then?

moe moe said...

hey cool, thanks for pointing out the umpires name. However its arshad syed, not arshad yosuf. Arshad yousf can't umpire that simply cuz he will be playing that day against eagles. I am not sure who this ump is, never heard of his name before thanks though.

Madew said...
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Madew said...

MSA..
B4 everyone jumps into Team Mergers and Horse trading here is a reality Check...We have total of 17 teams in Div-I (Assuming every team will be there next year) and 16 Team in Div-II minus IIT That's 15 teams..Out of 15 we need 11 to make it to 28 teams according to the Model...These are the teams in random order that lasted through the test of time and are very focused on competitive aspect of 40 overs cricket and have clearly demonstrated their enthusiasm for travel over the years (Infact QC Kings traveled more than 6 games this season):
1. Arena
2. JRovers
3. Giants
4. Evanston
5. Illinois
6. Jags
7. Lucky XI
8. QC Kings
9. Springfield
10. Titans
11. Madison
12. Collinsville
13. CCI
14. Fire

Following Team having been giving Walkover to away teams meaning they don't want to travel hence they should focus on 30/30 local league (Hammond) or some their players who enjoy 40 overs cricket can join other teams to make it more competitive. We are left with 14 teams. Hence team merger issue should NOT be a big deal at all with stats up above.. if you ask me there might be no need for mergers at all! I think its simple solution in deed! I would hate to see Illinois one of the oldest playing teams in this league go..It would be a Shame IMHO And again its my 2 cents on this topic...

who_what said...

Wonder what kind of conversations are taking place between sridher and tariq about flames getting into the playoffs???

Dinesh_Rovers said...

msa,

as of now, dont all Div 2 teams travel more or less the same? i think everyone travels abt 4 or 5 games, give or take..
"make chicago teams travel 3 times and make away teams travel 3 times to chicago".
that sounds like away teams willl have to travel 3 times to chicago and will have to travel to madison and qc etc for us which will be extra...for us to travel from bloomington to qc or arena is same as going to chicago..takes more than 2 hours...

like madew said, going from point A to B takes the same time like from B to A.. so travel is the same for all teams and all div 2 teams shud travel the same, IMO..

chicago teams are leaving div 2 bcos they have the 30 30 option..do u think they wud have all left if there is no 30/30?

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msa said...

See! I told you I hadn't thought through this :)

tatabybycu said...

Some more thoughts:

Are we really sure walkovers are purely related to distance? I dont think that this is always the case. My feeling is that it is more so because teams do not see a point in continuing with the season after they have had a bad start. Hammond, for instance, is giving walkovers in Chicago games as well. Another reason for them could be #s dropping becasue of it being Ramadan. Lucky 11 has been penalized and not really giving walkovers. Also, Illinois going to 30:30 is great. Why do we think that we are loosing them?.. its great that they can continue playing cricket in a form they are comfortable with.

Some more statistics based on distance from Chicago:
Team,City,Distance,Division
Q.C. Kings,Des Moine,330,2
St. Louis,St. Louis,300,1
Arena,St Louis,300,2
Collinsville, St Louis,286,2
Springfield,Springfield,200,2
Peoria,Peoria,160,1
Rovers,Peoria,160,2
Madison,Madison,147,2
CCI,Champaign,140,2
Purdue,West Lafayette,125,1
Milwaukee,Milwakee,92,1

QC Kings and St Lois teams have the maximum drive distance.. would it be enough to find a solution for just these teams? Do they have options other than MWCC in Iowa or Miss?

Worst case, if we want to do a reorg then In my opinion there are a few fundamental things that need to be followed:

1. The process will need buy in from both div1 and div2, so preference just based on a team being div1 or div2 would stall the process right away.
2. The focus should be long run and not short run. In any reorganization, during the interim, there will be winners and losers but role of the governing body is to look into the future not isolated short term concerns.
3. Future posibilities need to be considered. (for example: this recession is not going to last for ever.. and # of teams expressing interest are going to increase will we encourage this? what happens if Cha-town bags 2016? etc.)
3. The policy frame work should be laid down based on rules agreed upon by a vote and then management should follow through with it. The framework should not be subjective as this would smother any progress.
4. Use the opportunity to learn from other leagues. We may not need to reinvent the wheel at all, but just copy. Does anybody know how things work elsewhere?

Guest_rule said...

Qckings is from Moline,IL and is 120 miles from Aurora suburbs to correct the above comment.

tatabybycu said...

Satish, dont know what I was smoking :) it should read:

Q.C. Kings, Moline,172,2 and in 5th position now !!

I think if one mines the information they will see few things wrt. WO:

1. more walk overs in Div2 than Div1.. makes sense Div1 is more competitive.
2. walkovers are given more often at the end of the season.. may be we should put all long drive travel games in the first half of the season? makes sense becoz we will have more sunlight to finish the games and all of the painful drive back wont be after the sun has set.

one more .. "outside the box" idea. Instead of forcing the teams to comply with the dates and schedule we do the opposite: Give more flexibility to the teams in scheduling only their "travel" games.

Shekhs said...

Taze and the rest,
Sadiq mentioned a bunch of times, how things are done elsewhere, in other leagues efficiently.
I dont like the idea of dropping teams based on their distance.
We should keep all our existing teams and maybe get more, distance shoudlnt be a factor - aint that something we are trying to resolve?
We want to keep the integrity of the league, keep all the teams and work something out thats best for all of us.
There will always be issues, but for each issue there is a solution.
STL wont be playing in our league if they were comfortable in some other league, on the first place. But, they like the competitive edge our league has and thats because of the # of teams we have and our diversity.
So taking teams off based on geography will only screw things up.

We can have a combination of different ideas, and we should store all of these somewhere.

Shekhs said...

hey Adi...can we start another thread please...

its the playoffs...

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Love for the game said...

Hi every one,
I am new to this blog. However, I read it a lot to keep myself updated on the league.
I would like to clear some air regarding the Madison walkover. These are my opinion and should not be considered as one of MCC.

Regarding the walkover given by Madison, I know it is not right to give the walkover but some time it is simply not possible to put the team together even when you have a local league with many teams playing in it

I have been part of Madison Cricket Club and had played in Div 2 for MCC for 2.5 seasons. MCC team has always had a core consists of university of madison students. There has always been 4 to 5 players who were students. These players will play in every single game of the season. However, this season though almost most of the team have moved out. I don;t want to name people who have moved out, but I know 5 players who have moved out including myself.
There will be no one who will be more excited to play for the top spot than the MCC itself. I am saying this because I have played for them and this season also they were eager to finish on top. Even if not on top, walkover will be the last thing on their mind. If you go to MCC team list in Div 2 this season, you will find more players than any time you will see.
They are putting together a team this season by asking or infact begging players to play. Every game have more than 50% of the team different from last game. People are sometime not ready to play in the local Div 2 home game, forget about the away games in chicago or far off than chicago. It is the same story in Madison as teams are facing in Chicago. People dont want to travel, specially people with families. They would rather love to play local 20-20 league for fun instead of travelling to chicago.
I dont know if MCC had given walkovers even once before this last weekend game IMHO.
This is the most difficult season for the team management in MCC begging every friday for people to play.
My only request to all of you is not to compare MCC with other teams who give walkovers just because their chances are over in the league. This was one off instance when you simply dont have players to play for you. We all should remember that people are not getting paid to play. Instead they are paying to play. So you just cant force people to play.

Dinesh_Rovers said...

I went back and read Madews initial proposal. I am not sure if we should force teams to merge. Madew has a suggestion that Rovers should merge with CCI... How can the No1 and 2nd team in Div 2 merge?? That would mean about 20 players missing out on a chance to play cricket.

Infact, I dont think teams should be forced to merge. If a team has problem forming a 11 for games and finding a 11 to travel, then they can consider merging.

If we have more than 28 teams, say, 32, we can still form two conferences ( North and South Conference) with 16 teams each. But everyone doesnt have to play everyone and still play 14 games. Assign those 14 games with as minimal travel as possible..

I remember we had about 30 teams in 2006 and we didnt play everyone in Div 2.

But still, its a pity that teams cant even travel 3 or 4 games a year. In Rovers, even though its tough, at the end of the day, travelling as a team to chicago and having a good win(if we are lucky) having dinner and then ride back with talks about the game, makes up for some of the best memories of the season and makes the season what its worth. :) Just my personal opinion...

Madew said...

Its hypothetical model...Basically goal was balancing home grounds and travel for the respective conferences.. I agree with travel game memoirs. Some of the best memories seems to have happened along way to a travel game...With out travel involved any season is NOT fulfilling IMHO

Shekhs said...

yeah, dinesh, that was just a model....
you said it...we can have 32 or 34 teams or more even number of teams depending on availability...

you are right on the money, I personally and my team dont mind at least 3 travel games. thats when you really get to know your teammates and talk some crap....and have a blast away from home..

fahad said...

playoffs 30 30 begins from this weekend....
predictions:

warriors vs trail blazers
astros vs rockers
centurions vs mwca
deepark vs panthers

any predictions????????

fahad said...

playoffs 30 30 begins from this weekend....
predictions:

warriors vs trail blazers
astros vs rockers
centurions vs mwca
deepark vs panthers

any predictions????????

Shekhs said...

warriors vs trail blazers - Trail blazers...tsk tsk :-)

astros vs rockers - rockers
centurions vs mwca - mwca (for you fahad)
deepark vs panthers-deepark

Alpesh said...

warriors vs trail blazers - Trail blazers

astros vs rockers - Rockers will win .. but I will love if Astros can win ..

centurions vs mwca - Centurions

deepark vs panthers- deepark

Salman said...

Fahad i'm not available for the game on saturday so it will be tough to do everything on your own ;) hahah

Shekhs said...

nice Salman...I like your confidence bud...hahaha...
you guys are lucky you are not playing Trailblazers....hahaha

Chirag said...

* warriors vs trail.. - trail..

* rockers vs astros - rockers(astros got good team watchout)

* MWCA Vs Centurians - MWCA( fahad make sure you take field first aginst this guys.)

* Dee Park Vs Panthers - Dee park(Panthers got really good yound talent)

Semi Finals.....

* Rockers VS Dee Park - Dee Park

* MWCA Vs Trailblazer - trailblazer(if sheikhs puts some score)



Finals........

Trailblazers Vs Dee Park - no doubt about Dee Park (I know Sheikhs is scared.)

Chirag said...

haha just kidding..... sheikhs

anything could happen in 30-30 playoff. so much competition this year.

Shekhs said...

hahaha..nice one bad boy..

Shekhs said...

check this link out...

south African coach thinks One day should be 40 overs a side...

all the more reason for a few of us to keep div 1 @ 40 overs....hahaha

http://www.cricinfo.com/page2/content/current/story/425878.html

fahad said...

my predictions for 30 30 playoffs!!!!!!

rockers vs astros (rockers should win)

mwca vs centurions ( mwca should win if you look throughout the season)

trailblazers vs warriors (trailblazers if they can get saquib chowdry out early otherwise warriors)

deepark vs panthers ( panthers should win as they have the good young talent)

who_what said...

any prediction on India V Pak this Sat. it should be fun!!!!

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Salman said...

Sheks, I was wondering how could Trailblazer lose their final game with so many superstars in their team and then it came to me that it was because so they could avoid MWCA in the first round....any truth to that?? ;)lol

Shekhs said...

hahaha....atta boy salman....
right on the money...
honestly, that aint true...coz dont take credit away from Hustlers XI, they beat us fair and square..

but, hey given all your super-duper stars...its convenient to not play you guys in the first round...

but, we'll take you in the semis...its on buddy...provided we both make it to the semis..

who_what said...

favorite batsmen would love to watch bat:
Imran(muslim)
Faisal(ucc)
Ajit(wc)
Kamran(muslim)
Mahesh(challengers)
Amit(kutis)
what do you guys think?

Guest_rule said...

Any news on the Jaguars vs Giants night game yesterday?

Thanks

Alpesh said...

from what i heard ... Giants beat Jaguars in the last over ... It was a 25 over match ... and Jaguars scored abt 177 ..

So now Satish .. there is a high probability that we may play you guys in the Quarter finals ..

Guest_rule said...

Alpesh, Thanks for the update and good win for Giants in a must game as their playoff chances are at stake with this game.

I am sure looking forward for the game and i hope we improve our record in the playoffs.

All the best to you and the team Titans and how is Faraz?

Shekhs said...

FYI..
a few of us will be at hanover park in the nets, in case anybody else is interested...

naren said...

I will try to be there shekhs...

Rajiv said...

I am still devastated from yesterday's loss. Chicago Giants beat Jaguars in a do or die scenario for Giants...

It was a cracker of a game guys... Jaguars scored 178 in 25 overs... which is a good score i think. Giants were always on track with the run rate while chasing it. They wasted a few overs in the middle (actually it was because of great bowling by Sikander), so they ended up needing 52 in 5 overs... and they won with one ball left.

Now Giants have to beat Collinsville in another do or die for both I think.

ANY HEADSUP ON IF MADISON IS BEING DOCKED 4 POINTS FOR GIVING A WALKOVER TO CCI?? everyone i spoke to says they will be docked.

Dinesh_Rovers said...

Yeah thats what I heard too, that Madison will be docked 4 points.. Is this the standings now??
1) CCI
2)ROVERS
3) ARENA
4) TITANS
5) QC KINGS
6) JAGUARS
7) SPRINGFIELD or GIANTS (GIANTS are 7th if they win, else its springfield)
8) COLLINSVILLE (if they win)

I that right? All games gotta be good...Jags Vs Arena should be a cracker!!

Road Runner said...

Hope the rain stops so that the 30/30 quarters are played fair and square

Cupid said...

Dinesh,

The matchup is between Collinsville and Giants.

The scenario looks like this for Division II.

If MADISON is not docked 4 points
1) CCI
2) ROVERS
3) ARENA
4) MADISON
5) TITANS
6) QC KINGS
7) JAGUARS
8) SPRINGFIELD/GIANTS (GIANTS if they win, else it is SPRINGFIELD)


If MADISON is docked 4 points and GIANTS win against COLLINSVILLE
1) CCI
2) ROVERS
3) ARENA
4) TITANS
5) QC KINGS
6) JAGUARS
7) GIANTS
8) SPRINGFIELD


If MADISON is docked 4 points and COLLINSVILLE win against GIANTS
1) CCI
2) ROVERS
3) ARENA
4) TITANS
5) QC KINGS
6) JAGUARS
7) SPRINGFIELD
8) COLLINSVILLE

If MADISON is docked 4 points and match against COLLINSVILLE and GIANTS rain out
1) CCI
2) ROVERS
3) ARENA
4) TITANS
5) QC KINGS
6) JAGUARS
7) SPRINGFIELD
8) GIANTS

SpeedSensation said...

I think that in 3030 MWCA will probably beat Centurions....due to lack of depth in centurions squad..

I think Trailblazers will beat Warriors...they have a really strong squad but their bowling looks weak sometimes...

I think rockers will win because of depth...even though Nadeem from Astros is a handful

Deepark will win against panthers... should be a good game though...

Then i think MWCA and Trailblazers will play in playoffs...and I think MWCA will win because of the fact that MWCA is naming everyone on the wildcats roster as a coach...

Rockers vs dee park will be a cracker...but im going with dee park....

and I think MWCA will beat Dee Park in the finals again...

my .02 cents

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SpeedSensation said...
I think that in 3030 MWCA will probably beat Centurions....due to lack of depth in centurions squad..
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So the first upset has already taken place - apparently Centurions beat the loaded MWCA squad in the quarters. Centurions apparently put up 130-odd, and their bowling is very good anyway - they defended it by 30-odd runs from what I hear.

Meanwhile I umpired in Milwaukee, where Milwaukee beat Bears comfortably in the end - Bears travelled with only 9 players, mostly to make sure they werent docked -4 points for a walkover. Milwaukee batted first and scored 255 in 35 overs (fifty from Khawar, and Romesh batted very well for 95*). Bears chased well for a while, were about 150/3 IIRC, but the runrate and lack of players proved too much - they lost by 80 or so runs IIRC.

So Milwaukee now is up to 36 points, and plays a depleted Challengers side tomorrow (Bhavesh and Darshan wont play for Challengers, because they'll be playing for Dee Park in the 30/30 quarters).. Milwaukee is already likely to be 2nd or 3rd (with their current 36 points), if they beat the Challengers they may tie them on 40 points and even have a chance of topping the regular-season table depending on net-run-rate.

c8w

Chirag said...

wow....
What an upset by Centurians?
What happen fahad? looks like you guys did good in the bowling side, what happen in the batting?

Alpesh said...

Satish ..

Just met Faraz today .. he is still recovering from his injury ...

All the best to your team as well as in the playoffs ..

Bingi Pistol said...

Muslim Gymkhana tied the game with United. It was all planned. Flames and Phoenix have lost in the race for playoff spot. The three point rule for a tie game is ridiculous. Somehow the teams find ways to beat the system.....its a pity that games are fixed at this level too....

SpeedSensation said...

The flames match was fixed as well eagles put up a miserly total and flmaes chased it in 15 overs......

i didnt expect this out of the eagles

United drew with Muslim Gym huh, no surprise there...a draw ensures both teams a spot in the playoffs.... those teams are very close in relations..

I am surprised that unpires are putting up with this nonsense...this league is pathetic...

Dinesh_Rovers said...

I dont know much about DIvision 1 teams and so I am not gonna comment on what happened there. But 3 points per team in case of a tie is a ridiculous idea.

A value of game is a 4 points.. you cannot have 6 points as a value for a game.. Its dumb...

Unknown said...

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SpeedSensation said...
I am surprised that unpires are putting up with this nonsense...this league is pathetic...
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Dinesh said...
I dont know much about DIvision 1 teams and so I am not gonna comment on what happened there. But 3 points per team in case of a tie is a ridiculous idea.
A value of game is a 4 points.. you cannot have 6 points as a value for a game.. Its dumb...
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Itd be nice to hear more details about the Muslim/United game - we've heard a few conflicting stories so far. Talk was that 10 runs were needed to win off the last over, and 2 off the final ball.. and a runout took place going for the winning run.. all of which kinda sounds like itd be difficult to fix in advance :-) But anyway, the umpire was Rup - who is experienced and has been umpiring for a long time (and very well) - if there was anything fishy he oughta be able to tell us, here on the blog :-)

Secondly, I'd like to agree wholeheartedly with Dinesh here - this is something that has been pointed out by several people in the past couple of seasons, that a tie-game being suddenly worth 6 points (while all other kinds of games are worth 4 points in total) doesnt make a whole lot of sense! This loophole raises the possibility of a fix (or suspicion of a fix) in the first place - with a simple 2 points each, there would have been no such issue to start with.

Finally, we've seen a few incidents where much suspicion has been raised about manipulations done to the game, to ensure one team or another going to the playoffs... and this is because we have a very poor system in place IMHO, where the first-tie-breaker is Run-rate, which is quite easily subject to manipulation (and which teams will often resort to, if its available to them). We should not have this as the main tie-breaker at all - most well-run leagues around the country have realized this thru experience over time, and have switched away from it ages ago, and it really is time we did too.

Ive talked to a few friends across the country who are in the management in several different leagues - theyve *all* gone away from this "run-rate as first tiebreaker" system. They *all* use head-to-head as the first tiebreaker - the fairest way of all, if you tie, and youve beaten the other team in a direct matchup, you deserve to go in ahead of them.

In fact, most leagues have several other 2nd and 3rd tiebreakers too, ahead of run-rate! For eg, if you have not actually played head-to-head (or if that game was tied or rained out).. then the 2nd tiebreaker is often "number of wins" (ie 1 win worth more than 2 rainouts, or even a walkover). If the teams are *still* tied.. the third tiebreaker is often "number of wins against playoff teams" - ie number of "quality" wins (in this case against the 6 teams already set to be in the playoffs). It is usually only after all these tiebreakers are applied, that if there is *still* a tie, *then* the 4th tiebreaker is "net-run-rate". These things are far less susceptible to potential manipulation and are also very fair - and much better options to use than net-run-rate as the first and only tiebreaker, like we do in our league, IMHO.

c8w

Unknown said...

BTW, in "other news" today :-)... Challengers beat Milwaukee to top the regular-season table in Division One (chasing 182, they were 32/4 before a terrific partnership between Ankur with 48 and Nilesh with an excellent 81*). I hear Peoria beat Purdue, to probably finish #2 on run-rate ahead of Milwaukee?

Also, in the 30/30 playoffs, DeePark lost - another "favourite" going down, to the Panthers IIRC. And the Trailblazers won, as did the Rockers. So Panthers, Trailblazers, Rockers and Centurions the semifinalists in 30/30 this year.

c8w

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