Thursday, July 17, 2008
Predictions and Results for Week 11
Predictions, results, general mud-slinging, and all around good times during week 11.
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1 – 200 of 204 Newer› Newest»Rom,
are you assuming something here...we didnt say nothin about you..
:-)
Nice that Tango is in the Ball....
Romo is there a specific Tree we need to bark up...give us a hint??
I see some teams just can't stay away from the spotlight.. They don't like the dark like our good old Tango...
Not just the Neighborhood but da village Shekhs..
Anyone know what's up with Heritage Pk this week end.. my game have been moved to Riverdiana!!!!
You are right Shekhs. I made some assumptions after all the not-so-subtle-insinuations :).
Rup, no hints. Put on your Sherlock hat and go at it.
Thanks everybody for making the CRY-MCC cup such a hit. Hope everybody had a great time.
So, what are the predictions for the AL tourney?
Rom,
you crack me up..you know what..you are pretty slick..
you even almost had me convinced that a certain person was tango..someone in Phoenix..
:-)
So what does the VP of the AL tourney think? Who's gonna win?
aiite slick master..now that you put me on the spot..
well, we dont know how most of the teams are composed..
but for sure, the front runner would be United...as they are loaded with stars..
Pak Gym has always been a power house..
Can't say the same about your cats anymore..but you never know..
Sherlock no...Dick Tracy more like..I think Tracy was more sleazy in the Dark..
I say Blues XI man.. don't know the make up of this team but i feel they will just nip front runner United in the final over of the finals.. win with 1 ball to spare and 1 wicket in hand??
that final over will be bowled by Rup Narine..is that right?
:-)
Wow Mr. Tracy..thats really a shot in the DARK.. :-)
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Rup said...
Anyone know what's up with Heritage Pk this week end.. my game have been moved to Riverdiana!!!!
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You'll enjoy batting at Riverside, even if not bowling, Rup. It is, by far IMHO, *the* best batting ground in our league. The pitch is great for batting.. its astro, but a kind of thin astro, so the ball doesnt really grip and turn for the spinners, doesnt hold up like at Hanover but instead comes onto the bat (at Hanover its great to hit square, but driving isnt so easy - here at Riverside the ball comes onto the bat so you can drive easily as well). And the outfield is like greased lightning - the ball just rockets away along the ground for fours. Its like playing in India or Pakistan in that sense - you dont have to hit in the air at all, hit fours at will along the ground if you can just find the gaps.
Umpired there last weekend, Jaguars put up 368 in 40 overs against Hammond! Rohit made a terrific ton, his first in our league - hit some terrific fours all around the ground. Then Ajay came in and smashed 89 off about 60 balls IIRC - again everythign hit of the meat of the bat, and it was four if in the gaps. Jaguars didnt even get a chance to use their real hitters! Satyam came in for like 3 balls (and got like 5* or something), Vishal came in with 3 balls left, swiped and missed the first, and hit the second over midwicket, over the boundary, over the fence, and halfway into the baseball field next door :-) And then Shehzad played a terrific knock for Hammond too, 60-odd - they too reached 100 in about the 13th over in reply before fading away.
Anyway. Have fun there - let us know how it goes :-)
c8w
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Shekhs said...
well, we dont know how most of the teams are composed..
but for sure, the front runner would be United...as they are loaded with stars..
Pak Gym has always been a power house..
Can't say the same about your cats anymore..but you never know..
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Who won the Abid Laheri tournament last year again, BTW? Someone remind me, I forgot. (While youre at it, remind me who won the tournament the year before as well? :-)
c8w
Finger,
Where are you man..haven't seen you around at all..
Yeah..forgot about the defending champs...
How come you havent mailed Atif aout the blogger's ball?
May be finger is at the U15 tour in glendale heights..
I see MCC posted info about this yesterday...
I would love to go watch the kids play but can't.. don't know why we can't get some more advance notice on these events.
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Shekhs said...
Finger,
Where are you man..haven't seen you around at all..
Yeah..forgot about the defending champs...
How come you havent mailed Atif aout the blogger's ball?
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Been right here - just didnt make it to CRY. As for BB.. let Atif get his 22 players at least, then I'll offer to umpire :-)
BTW, everyones trying to figure out who Tango is... Iam still trying to figure out who "Adeep Southindian" is, who batted #3 for Royals last weekend (and was lbw for a duck :-)
c8w
I'm not sure about his last name :)and not sure who added him from our team?
I don't think his last name is Southindian....I will talk to the guys when we meet tomorrow and ask them to correct it.
Samir_RoyalsCC
Blogger's ball is for fun..I think you should play too Finger..
we'll umpire within ourselves..not a biggie..
" A deep Southindian"...I like that name..
Royals are getting creative huh..
is that due to your addition Samir?
lol Shekhs. I thought they've always been creative :)
BTW, I'm available for the Blogger's ball. Thanks.
Samir_RoyalsCC
Funny ... Shekhs ..Funny...
What a wondering mind we have.. This is the reason why i refrain from using words such as Deep, Gully or Middle Wicket..
Ya neva no wah guys like u wil interp as::::)))).
Finfer ya gafu pla mann.. We all think ya hav som talent but don't wan a sho us??
Samir..Thank you for joing the royal blog party..
By the way anyone know how Charlie is doing... I hope he is recovered enough to ba back on da field.
And you can add "fine leg" to my refrain words.
yeah..whats up with charlie boy..hope he's doin aiite..
he's probably the most popular cricketer in our league..
hey trivia time..
Who's the most popular cricketer in the league?
I say its Charlie Patel...
He's back on the field and doing fine...
Any news on Naren? The last time heard, he had injured his knee? Hope he's doing fine..
Samir_RoyalsCC
Naren should be around...I mean on the blog..
he was there for the CRY festivities..
the cast is off and he aint limpin much now..so thats good..
I'd say he's gonna be back in action in another month and a half..maybe the last coupla games of the season..
Shekhs Sir ..
any update on my yesterday ques ?? may need 2 more ...
lemme check Appu...didnt get a chance yet..
will call you in a bit..
yep charlie is up there....
for the guys with injuries.. we all wish it did'nt happen..now we are wishing you a speedy recovery..but please do not try and pull a Tiger Woods stunt..
Make sure you are 100% fit before you come back
thanks for asking Sameer, i am doing good, i tore both my meniscus so got a portion of them removed.
I should be back to playing in about 4-6 weeks from now, and yea as rup said i would make sure i am 100% fit before i come back to the field.
good luck to everyone this week end.
Looks like rain will be a factor again.. Hope there are no rain outs..Icc can afford another one..and we are playing at River park indiana..
all it takes is a good shower and you got yourself a rafting course at this ground.
Naren,
take care of urself. We also need you for vollyball during the winter :)
Samir_RoyalsCC
So how many matches have been rained out today ?? I think - Hanover Park, Heritage Park must have been rained out today ... Also the U-15 matches might have got affected ...
All games at WP got rained out today.
Jolly Rovers vs Evanston: JR batted first to score 191 all out, 40+ from Chit and Dinesh. Evanston started quick with Perrin scoring 94. In the end Evanston were all out with 25 runs left. Chit bowled exceptional taking 5 wickets.
Eagles beat Hammond by 6 wickets
Batting first, Hammond were 199 allout in the 40th over. Eagles chased the score in 25 overs.
Excellent game took place between Chicago Fire and Illinois. We got to the ground around 9:30 and it was raining, not pouring but it was raining at a decent clip. I was thinking that there was no way that we would be able to play but aroung 10:30 rain stopped and sun decided to show its face. We decided to play a 30 overs a side game and Illinois won the toss and decided to bowl first as it had rained and the outfield would be slow. Let me say that even though it had rained the outfield was pretty good and i can only imagine what it is like when it is dry. Anyways Fire started off pretty good reacing 44 for no loss by the 10th over. Then came a lull as we lost a few quick wickets and spinner started to slow the game down. we ended up putting up 155 in 30 overs. A defendable score we were hoping.
When Illinois came out to bat they lost Collins to a peach of a delivery by Zakir and we thought we had them under pressure but our opening bowlers lacked discipline and our main wicket taker Siraj was bowling too short. At the 15 over break Illinois were sitting pretty comfortably at 109 for 2. Needing 46 to win off 15 overs.
Im not even going to lie to anyone. At this point i was praying for it to rain so that we could at least get 2 points. Illinois decided to chance their shots after the break and they made some poor decisions to some excellent bowling after the break and the equation came down to 3 needed off the last over with the last pair at the crease. Off of the first ball of the over Darren decided to go for his shot and hit the ball into the air to deep cover. Siraj Sikandar Patel covered alot of ground and made the catch and the game was ours. We had just snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.
I wish Rup, Jack, and the rest of the Illinois Cricket Club best of luck for the rest of the season and Thank them for an excellent match.
Good Luck mastakilla.. Always fun playing against you. We gave the game away, I can kick myself for trusting my teams that they would have bring it home after we were 109 for 2. I must say Adam from AAA did a great job umpiring the game. It was top class umpiring, if we can get that level of umpiring for ALL teams this league will be 10 times better..
My updated Playoff teams.. Got to be objective...lol
1 AAA - they want to play the game they have some talent and have a good leader back to div 1
2 Jaguars - Solid and I expect them to be in the finals
3 Madison - ok team I think they are going to me in the semi but I am not sold on this team.
4 Eagles - Good start but dont have what it takes to go all the way... No bowling batsmen will fail in the colder weather
5 IIT - always will be in the mix they can finish as high as 3rd
6 Jolly Rovers - walk overs and a good start will help them
7 Q.C. Kings - Committed and really want to play and enjoy their cricket will surely make it
8 Evanston - will barely make it.. Not talented enough one man team
9 Arena - Walk over will bring them home
10 Collinsville - Walk over will bring them home
11 Illinois - need more bodies that can play 10 sure weeks a season.. Motivation can be a problem too.... Guys may not want to play this game that requires attention to detail
12 Chicago Giants -- bad start to the season and not too godd this year
Re: 6 Jolly Rovers - walk overs and a good start will help them
JR hasnt had even one walkover yet... the table says P 8- W 5-L 2- Rain 1 ...
I think JR has a really strong team that is gelling together as a unit .. Watch out for them ...
KD the walk overs will come ok.. as the season gets longer and teams out of playoffs the gas effect will kick in..
After watching JR vs Evanston game I will attest to the fact that JR is beginning to gell together. They seem committed to playing hard and to get better.
Illinois and Giants making playoff sounds like a good conversation but there are total 5 teams in that mix that are eyeing for the 11th and 12th spot. If Illinois and Giants can play upto there potential then I would say absolutely they will make it. It will all boil down to who wants it bad enough.
Springfied
Titans
Lucky
Illinois
Giants
Jack I disagree - JR remaining games are against IIT, Collinsville, Arena, Hammond Illinois, QCK. I don't see any more than 1 walkover (Hammond)
As for Collinsville they play Hammond, Jolly, IIT, CCI QCK, Fire. I would say 1 walkover here as well.
Yet another match winning performance from spinners, unfortunate it was the opponent side. UNITED LOST by mire 6 runs on a pitch that was unplayable.
Sportsmanship is what I would like to see if someone can put some light on. How many of us are true sports person playing in MWCC. I got some good glimpse of professionals who wants to win at any cost. If I start doing so I can top bowling chart.
Forget about sledging and excess appealing, fielders have all rites to do that as long as it is for the game and stays within the boundaries.
What is umpires intervention in giving a decision: Are umpires suppose to go and talk to players for a decision or is it according to ICC, “Umpires can only talk to leg umpire and if provided third umpire” to help take a decision. If not clear, benefit of doubt goes to whom: the fielding side or the batsman/batting side. Opponent
sheks why teams have not put scores in night games?
nj give proper details and not something so vague. what did milwaukee do or not do?
Donald I want you to disagree.. so we can have a discussion :):):)
JR will be a in playoffs thats all I can guarantee
DeepDownWithin said...
nj give proper details and not something so vague. what did milwaukee do or not do?
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First
A simple catch that i droped was tagged by the very own Asif as a bumped, what if i would have caught it.. even umpire knew it was a catch.
Second
At a stage when we were in need of 20 runs in 7 overs with 6 down Asif is bowling and he appeals for a catch that drops on the ground atleast 1-1.5 feet away from backward silly point fielder Shakir who also appeals with all other fielder, result batsman Matin is given out after consulting fielder about the authenticity. Few Milwaukee field knew it was dropped short and admitted the fact.
Each game is new experience but Umpiring standards dont change, they remain same through the season and few people dont change they innovate to lead the tally.
well it was a bad game in poor condition. Captains decided to bat on an end that was too soggy/muddy and both sides bowled from one end to start and finish the game. (Milwaukee is a clay wicket with mates on top)
No excuses UNITED lost in below par performance.
DeepDownWithin said...
nj give proper details and not something so vague. what did milwaukee do or not do?
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First
A simple catch that i droped was tagged by the very own Asif as a bumped, what if i would have caught it.. even umpire knew it was a catch.
Second
At a stage when we were in need of 20 runs in 7 overs with 6 down Asif is bowling and he appeals for a catch that drops on the ground atleast 1-1.5 feet away from backward silly point fielder Shakir who also appeals with all other fielder, result batsman Matin is given out after consulting fielder about the authenticity. Few Milwaukee field knew it was dropped short and admitted the fact.
Each game is new experience but Umpiring standards dont change, they remain same through the season and few people dont change they innovate to lead the tally.
well it was a bad game in poor condition. Captains decided to bat on an end that was too soggy/muddy and both sides bowled from one end to start and finish the game. (Milwaukee is a clay wicket with mates on top)
No excuses UNITED lost in below par performance.
Deep down...
we are missing only one scorecard for ALNT.
Anjuman didnt enter the player names until later and hence the scores couldn't be entered on time.
We'll take care of it soon.
Who has given rights to captains to play from only one side of the wicket ?? A proper cricket game needs to be played on both sides of the wicket ..
Tomorrow Captains will decide that after a team gets allout .. let allow the batsman again ...
This shows the poor standard of cricket we play ...
"4 Eagles - Good start but dont have what it takes to go all the way... No bowling batsmen will fail in the colder weather"
Thank god we are playing in summer...
Finally met Alpesh. Thx for umpiring Alpesh. It was nice to meet you. Hope you had fun umpiring our game.
Preetam N.. Man I was talkin about when playoff comes.. lol man its all in good fun.. nothing person.. You all have a nice batting lineup.. I dont want to play you guys this year...
Anjuman Vs Challengers,Flames Vs chicago nights. did the games not happen due to rain???????????
LOL.. None taken Jack. But we will start investing in some space heaters if at all we get to the playoffs.
nj sadiq was your umpire, lets hear his story. yes, i cannot belive the game was played from one side. what is with sadiq and playing at any cost approach??????????????? adnan/mehul, where u ?????????
Deep down..
Anjuman Vs. Challengers did take place...Challengers won the game..
the scorecard has to be uploaded yet..
Flames Vs. Chicago Nights is tonight..
Sadiq was not on for it but than with captains and umpire decision we played. Adnan, myself and few other from united were not comfortable at all to play but what else can you do when all have different views, i guess milwaukee wanted to play and few from our team also gave some support..
All LBW Decision: most of those ball were not above ankle height and few got bowled with such balls.
SADIQ need your views.. on Milwakee - United game...
Seems like another interesting week went by.
Well ICC is back at it again..
Masta has given an accurate summary of the result so not much more I can add to it.
ICC needs to get a grip and stop playing like they ain't care of the end result..cause they do care.
It's funny, but I just noticed a change in the blog. Last year it was apparently a Div 1 dominated blog. Heard some Div 2 players complain a little, but they stuck on. Now it is your time - it seems like this year is a Div 2 dominated blog!
Time for me to complain... and then hope for a change next year. :)
Shekhs, Masta, Ram, others, congrats on the win! Shekhs, looks like the Challs are the team to beat this year - as usual!
Rup, Chally, NJ, hard luck. Next time!
Madhu, what happened to Peoria this week?
Boy you guys are here complaining a about Umpires. Ask Evanston and Jolly Rovers this question and they will be rolling on the floor as the schedule umpire did not show up and our league was unable to provide a filler for this.
I just wonder .....
So what is or should there be a penalty for umpires that do not show up? and forcing teams to put there own members on the field to umpire.
Does this happen to you guys too? I know we have played atleast 4 games in last years without the umpire.
Thoughts????
Congrats to all the winners..!
Adi, congrats to Phoenix..
What..challs are the team to beat??
How bout the # 1 team? lemme see ...hold on..Challengers are not # 1...
I wonder..who the # 1 team is...help me out here...do you know..
:-)
Rup, Chally..sorry about the tough one...its been a tough season for you guys..hopefully, will get better..
Fellas..
Nite AL resume tonite...some good games coming up..
Rup you guyshad th game i heg. We were frustrated we couldnt pick up a wicket. You guys gave us a big break by taking your chances and going for your shots. It allowed us to get back into the game. I didnt expect you to come in and play your shots as well, I expected you to play it out till the endand take your team to the finish but i dont know what you guys were thinking. Thanx for a great game.
Shekhs man its been a tough one.. Hopefully it gets better...
Cause I wont be able to hold up..Cannot stand losing be it for fun or not. Too much of a competitor.
MastaKilla you got it right... We gave it away. I felt after I got out we would have closed up shop and cruise home but we played like typical west indians = pussies...:):)
No wonder WI is ranked 8th in the world.
I felt after I was batting for 25 over I should not have gotten out but oh well shite happens I
mis-cued a cut shot.
Atif, no problem, gimme a call when you have a minute..
Add 4 more to the list:
Tushar Mehta
Swetal Vaidya
Bhavesh Amin - He doesnt blog but, I made him an honorary blogger.. :-)
Darshan Patel
Jack - I would not worry much about the game you lost and focus on your upcoming games on things like how you will field a side that wants to play hard and win. A typical challenge for teams getting older is that they either accept loosing or are forced to make roster changes that puts a dent in years of friendship. No one wants to be cut or take on a diminished role but the fact is that if you cannot perform then you will soon become a burden on your team who expect more from you. Giants faced similar challenges and we as a team has made some drastic changes in the past few weeks and we are hoping that our match performance will justify the decision taken.
Oh by the way Miss Cleo called and told me that this year 30 - 36 pts mean playoff guranteed, 28 Pts - but she feel that #11 and #12 teams will get in playoff with 28 pts or less.
Donald good suggestions man..
Cricket is a game of commitment, mental toughness and dedication. If you cannot give those you are wasting your time and your team-mates time...
But I did not know you had contact with ms cleo... :):)
I know a few teams will not like this but ICC will take Myself, Colling and a player to be named later to Evanston if we are going to be out of it.
A trade like this will put Evanston into div 1...
Shhhh dont tell anyone :):)
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NJ said...
All LBW Decision: most of those ball were not above ankle height and few got bowled with such balls.
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Just checked in. Let me first disagree with this part to start with (there are a few more disagreements to come :-)
19 wickets fell on the day, there were 5 bowled and 2 LBWs. The bowleds: 1) Kash bowled by Mehul.. a beautiful setup, he beat him, then for the last ball of the over he brought in a shortleg, told him to get ready.. and bowled a inswinging pitched up ball that beat the outside of the bat and took offstump. 2) Shakir bowled by Dhiraj - rising ball, clipped the bails (stumps didnt even bend, only bails fell off, batsman was backing and trying to hit inside-out over cover with 4-5 overs left). 3) Faisal bowled Asif. Ball kept a little low, but he was charging down the track, missed the spin, ball missed inside of his bat and took the stumps. 4) Mehul bowled Sim - first ball after 20-over break, full-pitch ball under his bat, yorked. 5) Snehal, second last over (with 7 needed off 8 balls), charged down the track, aimed for midwicket to a ball outside offstump, kept slightly low maybe but he inside-edged it onto his stumps, was beaten by sideways movement, not lack of bounce.
Two LBWs all day - one hit just below knee roll, would have hit three-quarters way up the off and middle stumps IMHO. Second LBW was Kiran.. that was the one iffy one maybe, even that wasnt ankle-height, it was low on the pad.. but that ball was shortish and he tried to pull and it went under his bat.
The pitch was slow and low, but thats not unusual for a mud-track out in Milwaukee. Slower than usual, I think, but not much more than that. And bounce wasnt particularly bad at all IMHO - Ive umpired on far more uneven-bounce tracks than this, not even close.
Milwaukee is a very low-scoring pitch to start with - 2 years ago I umpired United/MCC and it was about 110 allout and 111/8. Last week MCC/Chargers was 132 allout, and 125 allout in reply for a 7-run loss. A month ago I was there with Royals, and Milwaukee got 99 allout and then it rained and was abandoned. IMHO, the pitch yesterday was at best marginally more difficult to bat on than those pitches Ive umpired on earlier (this year and previously).
c8w
Atif,
Please add Sanjay Patel to our Blogger's ball as well..
I know I'm bringing a buncha challengers, but its because they expressed interest in playing the same. :-)
Thanks
Shekhs
when is this game by the way.. the bloggers all star match
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Alpesh said...
Who has given rights to captains to play from only one side of the wicket ?? A proper cricket game needs to be played on both sides of the wicket ..
This shows the poor standard of cricket we play ...
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Alps - you didnt go last year to SIU? There all games were being played on one side of the wicket for most of the season IIRC.
I dont like playing one side of the wicket, and try and avoid it whenever possible. But, in several years of umpiring, I *have* done games where it was played on only one side.. maybe 4-5 times or so. When its unavoidable, it can and shoudl be done IMHO. We are playing club cricket, and we get 14 games a year, 3-4 of which are probably going to be washed out this year. When one runup is fixed and playable but the other is not, I dont think we should be denying people the chance to have a game of cricket at all - not when its bright and sunny outside, with the weather perfect for cricket.
It is never a captains decision, the final responsibility is the umpires. I was willing to do it. I would not, however, force anyone to do it. The suggestion came from one of the captains. I thought it was ok, if there was no other way.. and both captains agreed. Even as late as right before the toss, I asked both captains in the middle if they had a problem - both captains were enthusiastic to get started, both wanted to play right away, get as many overs for a cricket match as possible, neither wanted to go home because one runup wasnt in good shape. In the end as an umpire my consultations are going to be done only with the captains - no umpire is ever going to poll 22 individual players. The captains represent the teams, and both wanted to do it, enthusiastically. The responsibility still rests with the umpire - I could still disagree and walk off if I wanted to and there would be no match. But I happen to think there isnt anything that egregious about it, and I made the decision to play.
BTW, we started the game at 1:30 pm, and played 40-overs a side. Both captains *wanted* to play 40 overs if they could, and Iam not going to stand in their way. I suggested 35, but both wanted as long a game as possible - I said they would have to agree to be very quick between overs, keep discussions to a minimum, cut lunch-break to 10 minutes etc etc (nobody had eaten anything until the 1:30pm start).. both said theyd do it all, and would make sure and get a full game in. I have no problem with that, I frankly appreciate that much enthusiasm on both sides. (In the end, with only one-side bowling, United bowled their 40 overs in 2 hours and 40 minutes - thats how keen the fielding side was).
We played a 40-overs game, and frankly it was a *fantastic* game, one of the best all year IMHO (which seems to have gone unmentioned on here today). Very high quality cricket - 2 first-class players going up against each other a few times in critical situations, wonderful cricket overall, I personally enjoyed it greatly. The contests between Mehul bowling and Asif/Romesh batting, between Kiran and Amit bowling and Asif/Romesh batting, between Asif bowling and Kiran batting with the game on the line (2 first-class players up against each other)... Iam frankly very happy with the decision I made, because it resulted in some of the best cricket Ive seen all year IMHO.
c8w
Appu,
to answer your question:
Why did the umpire let the teams play from one side of the wicket?
You answer this question:
What if your team - titans go to Collinsville (hypothetical) and the wicket's wet with one side totally messed up.
Will you not play and come back 5 hours?
What..challs are the team to beat??
How bout the # 1 team? lemme see ...hold on..Challengers are not # 1...
I wonder..who the # 1 team is...help me out here...do you know..
:-)
You're funny dude. Here's an idea. Take a poll. That'll let you know who the team to beat is! I do appreciate we are having a good season, but consistency over a few years is a different matter. You and I both know the facts... :)
Still, a few weeks to go before this game, and often there is many a slip between cup and lip.
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NJ said...
At a stage when we were in need of 20 runs in 7 overs with 6 down Asif is bowling and he appeals for a catch that drops on the ground atleast 1-1.5 feet away from backward silly point fielder Shakir who also appeals with all other fielder, result batsman Matin is given out after consulting fielder about the authenticity. Few Milwaukee field knew it was dropped short and admitted the fact.
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And you know it dropped 1.5 feet short how, Nippy, with you outside the field? Also on somebodys word, no? :-)
There was an edge off Asif, there was a slip, gully and silly-point waiting for it. Shakir dived forward and caught it. Now, as umpire, I do happen to be 60-odd feet away, with a partial blocked view due to sillypoint and with the grass pretty high etc.. but to me, and I have to make the decision on the spot, it looked like a clean catch. All the Milwaukee players around there (keeper, slip, gully, silly-point) were completely convinced it was a clean catch. I consulted with the leg-umpire (Mehul, who is from the batting side, but is one of the most honest people in the league).. he said he couldnt see it *that* clearly either because of the dip in the field and the grass high, but he said it felt like a clean catch to him, and that in his opinion we ought to go with the fielders word on this. Note, it was the batting side leg-umpire who suggested this (but Iam the one who made the decision).
Low catches diving forward with high grass are never easy - as we've seen in test matches in Australia last year (even replays often show conflicting things on this), especially in the heat of the moment in a tense game. In this particular case the batsman was Mateen - on whose honesty I would trust my life, probably. But on the field everyone is the same - you dont trust one person and not another. To me, despite the distance/obstructions etc, it looked like it was a clean catch. The batting side leg-umpire couldnt swear to anything, but also felt it was clean (he said he definitely didnt see a bounce or anything), and he suggested we believe the fielder in this sort of situation. I agreed with him, and gave it out. In the end the responsibility of the decision rests with me only - not with the leggie, not with the fielder, but with the umpire on the field. If it did indeed fall short and was caught, then it is my mistake, not anybody else's (in which case I apologize to the batsman - but hope he knows it wasnt intentional :-) But again, from my position, it felt like a clean catch to me).
Obviously we all discussed this after the game, when things are all a bit cooler. The 2 or 3 Milwaukee fielders I talked to who were close by all were adamant even afterwards that it was a clean catch. Romesh, who was at midoff, told me post-game that he felt from his position that it was short by a few inches. Mateen, the batsman, was positive it fell a foot short. In the end, again, the decision was made by me and me alone - you shouldnt really be blaming Milwaukee for it.
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well it was a bad game in poor condition. Captains decided to bat on an end that was too soggy/muddy and both sides bowled from one end to start and finish the game.
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BTW, said this before and will say it again here - I disagree with this completely. I think it was actually a *very* good game, incredibly tense and tight with some high quality cricket. And I disagree also about soggy-muddy - I dont the pitch was soggy or muddy where the batting took place at all, it was quite dry IMHO. The only soggy-muddy area was the runup at one end, which is what could not be used - hence the bowling from only the other end.
c8w
Adi,
I like that last bit of rhyming words you put there..cup, slip lip...hmm..where have you been all day?
:-)
Could someone throw some light on what the ALL STAR BLOGGERS GAME is ?
I just started following this blog and replied once I think but I am interested in what that ALL STAR BLOGGERS GAME is...
Alpesh,
Shekhs does have a point. And so does Sadiq. To modify a cliche: It's better to have played and lost than to never have played at all!! :)
Jack, Jackster, Jackie Boy,
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I know a few teams will not like this but ICC will take Myself, Colling and a player to be named later to Evanston if we are going to be out of it.
A trade like this will put Evanston into div 1...
Shhhh dont tell anyone :):)
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Trading deadline was July 15th.
Kd,
The so called Blogger's ball is an attempt to claim fame by a buncha jobless bloggers like us...
you are more than welcome to join us..
Please email Atif - atifmshaikh@gmail.com
with your name, number SSN etc..
PS: The SSN part was a joke..
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Tonald Drump said...
Oh by the way Miss Cleo called and told me that this year 30 - 36 pts mean playoff guranteed, 28 Pts - but she feel that #11 and #12 teams will get in playoff with 28 pts or less.
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Once again - are you sure 12 teams are actually going to the playoffs? I still think it will be less, either 10 or 8. Hopefully there will be an announcement soon. But 12 out of 19 is a few too many to be going to the playoffs IMHO.
c8w
I consulted with the leg-umpire (Mehul, who is from the batting side, but is one of the most honest people in the league).. he said he couldnt see it *that* clearly either because of the dip in the....... Con't....
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Finger, you are one of the better umpires in this league but you have got to stop making statement like the above and then defend it later.
you should never gave a batsman out based on the statement above because
1) you must be absolutely sure the batsman is out before putting him out.
2)Both you and Mehul were not sure of the catch, so you made it worse by giving out on an IF.
3)ICC rule is the fielder word for honest catch in no longer honest and it's the umpires call as he sees it or ask for replay.
I say it's a bad decision and hope not to see more of the same
C8w, NJ, etc,
Sounds like it was an awesome game. A real nail biter in the end. I'm sure it would have been fun to watch.
Hint to all the UMPS out there.
Read the rule book if you want to umpire.
Never should you modernize, patronize, fratenize, pulverized, mesmerized and an other ize's when you are umpiring.
Your job as an umpire is to enforce the rule of the game as laid down by ICC and your league. and no you don't have to make up your own rules as you go along.
Rup, good one! You've got Sadiq well and good. Benefit of the doubt goes to the batsman!
I remember a couple of games where he did that to me too. I was the fielder, took two diving catches forward, scooping it inches of the ground, and he gave it not out. I was pretty upset with his decision, as I thought they were pretty clearly clean catches, but he did not give them out. Those misses haunted us in those game. In the same token, he gave one of our batsmen out that same year on a questionable low catch after "consulting" with the fielder. This one did not haunt us.
Sadiq, unfortunately we are not discussing your good decisions, where you turned down an LBW decisions that was marginal, and thus the right decision, but instead the ones that were contentious!!! :)
Such is the curse of being an umpire. Don't hate me when you umpire our game.... ;-)
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Aditya said...
C8w, NJ, etc,
Sounds like it was an awesome game. A real nail biter in the end. I'm sure it would have been fun to watch.
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It was, actually. United won the toss and put Milwaukee in.. and MCC were down to 18/4. Then both Asif and Romesh were dropped early (easy catches, actually), and both batted very straight and very sensibly and took it to 38/4 in 20 overs at break. Asif was then runout for 24, Romesh batted very well for 32 (3 of his potential sixes hit the trees and came back.. probably cost him 13-14 runs). MCC eventually got to 107/9 in 40 overs - 3 wickets for Mehul and Dhiraj, and 3 runouts.
United lost a wicket first ball of the innings, Nipun c&b by Wade. Then Faisal and Kiran took it to 31/1 in 10 (Kiran dropped once off an easy catch too).. before Asif got Fais bowled in his first over. Kiran and Adnan had a nice partnership.. at 47/2 I actually thought United were cruising.But then Kiran was LBW, and then Amit and Mahesh both fell in Sim's first over.. United went from 47/2 in the 16th over to 55/5 at 20. First ball after break Mehul was yorked and it was 55/6 with basically 20 overs left.
Adnan and Mateen then had a long tense partnership - very very tense all the way thru, Milwaukee pushing hard for wickets, lots of plays-and-misses, both batsmen battling hard and hanging in there and keeping the scoreboard ticking over. They dragged it all the way to 90/6 before Mateen fell to Asif (as everyone has now heard ;-).. 18 to win with 7 overs left. Adnan was then caught behind couple overs later - 92/8. Dhiraj came in and hit a couple twos..97/8 in 37 overs, 11 to win in 3 overs, Asif's last over. Stolen singles off defensive pushes, then a stumping by 3-4 feet missed (which went for a bye), 3 off the over.. 100/8, 8 to win in 2 overs, Asif bowled out. Single stolen.. 7 to win off 8 balls.. then Snehal heaved and inside-edged onto his stumps. Last man Ritesh pushed to midon and ran, Asif picked up and had a direct-hit at the bowlers end with him well short, allout 101, lost by 6 runs. Great game, one of the best of the year, went back and forth all the way thru, and was pretty much continuously tense for the last 20 overs or so.
c8w
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Those misses haunted us in those game. In the same token, he gave one of our batsmen out that same year on a questionable low catch after "consulting" with the fielder. This one did not haunt us.
Sadiq, unfortunately we are not discussing your good decisions, where you turned down an LBW decisions that was marginal, and thus the right decision, but instead the ones that were contentious!!! :)
Such is the curse of being an umpire. Don't hate me when you umpire our game.... ;-)
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No hatred Adi, never have a problem discussing any of my decisions, right or wrong :-) I do actually remember the couple diving ones of yours (which I had doubts about - one of them actually IIRC the doubt was a bump-ball to start with, not at your end but below the bat). But I dont actually remember giving one of your batsmen out after consulting the fielder.. this was in Madison 3-4 years ago? Remind me?
As for yesterday.. I dunno. Iam not trying to defend myself per se - might well have been an error as I said before. But with many catches (even outfield ones that are diving), you either think its out or that its not out, in the end its all your judgement.. and I thought this one was out. The leggie had a better angle - if he felt there was a doubt, that it had bounced (even with him being from the batting side) I might have reconsidered.. but he said he didnt see it bounce, and he felt it had been out as well (and then suggested we take the fielders word). At that particular moment on the field, the only person who actually felt it was notout was the batsman.
Iam considered a bit of a not-outer anyway, since (as you said), the marginal LBWs are not given out by me (because they actually arent out :-) In retrospect maybe Rup is right and I oughta have been even more a notouter in this respect too.. I dunno. Iam still a little conflicted about it.
c8w
finger of death,
I do not think that 12 teams would qualify this year. it will be only 8 teams. last year we had 29 teams in Div II and so they had top 12. now there are only 19 teams and so only top 8 will be in and it will start with the QFs.
Preetam Sir ..
I enjoyed umpiring the match .. but the heat was killing .. you all had about 3-3.5 hrs under the sun .. but I had abt 6.5 hrs ... When I saw myself in the mirror after returning home ... my face n neck was all brown ... Tannnnnnnnned to gr8 effect :)
Sorry for my few mistakes while umpiring ... still learning :)
Shekhs, Aditya ...
No probs with playing on one side of the wicket ... if this gets added to the MWCC rules .. Also I am not saying not to play ... but I don't think it would had been impossible to correct the damaged area ... It will take time and effort .. but if you want to play real cricket .............. Again in case of travelling matches .. host teams should visit the ground early in the day to check the status of the ground (in case of rains) .. this would apply to even Chicago based teams if they are hosting out of chicago teams ...
This reminds me to thank Ajoy (Arena) for checking the St Louis ground as early as 6:30 AM on our match day with Arena ... Sorry for missing this earlier ..
This April ... we had almost 7-8 hour umpiring session .. where it was clearly mentioned about this part ... match needs to be played on both sides of wicket unless otherwise mentioned in the league rules ...
Enjoying arguing with two biggies ..Shekhs n Aditya :)
Alright heat is on.. finally something is going... without spicing it up everything else was bouring... Asif has been dating Katerina Kaif ... and Sadiq has plans to umpire in ICC games..
Sadiq,
Yes, the two catches I claimed were against MUCC and Purdue. The one questionable out against us was against Muslim Gym - back in 2006. Don't worry, I just brought it up because this came up. I don't really have too much of a problem with your decisions in the end - benefit of the doubt. As far the the LBWs are concerned, don't change.... the batsman gets only once chance. the bowler has many.
I was just messing with you, I don't really question your judgement that much!!! Couple of questionable decisions or misses over the years, but just a couple!!! That's not too shabby at all. Even Simon Taufel has had his share of questionable ones. I'm not comparing you to him!! :)
Test
Shekhs,
Its not called Bloggers Ball...its officially called The All Star Bloggers Game.
I have bribed Atif heavily on this one... Rs. 25 crore per alphabet :)
Dear Nipon Joshi (NJ),
this is asif from Milwaukee, just wanted to clearify few things that u have mentioned earlier in the blog. First of all, playing from one end was faisal suggestion not mine, he suggested to me and i said okay, i have no problem playing with one end(Mahul was there when this conversation was going on). Faisal will testify that i offered him split the 4 point since the ground condition was, to me, not good enough to play. Specially for the team batting 1st. But faisal wanted to play so i agreed. The bump catch u r talking about, i just thought i was a bump catch. i dint tried to inflence anybody, i was just my thought whick could be wrong. As far as the controversial catch of mateen is concerned, i spoke to Adnan and mahul to get their view and they were not sure as well. I dont know how were u able to see from the boundry line that it was dropped 1-1.5 feet short. I spoke to shakir and he said he was sure he caught it so it my fielder's word. U talked about sledging, i dont know what u are ferering to. i dont see any sledging from both sides during the whole game.
Anyways i an really sorry and appologise to u and UCC on the behalf of MCC if we hurt u or caused u any inconvinence to u guys.
Good Luck to UCC for the rest of the reason.
Speacial Thankx to Faisal, Mahul, Dhiraj and few others for helping us making the field playable.
Regards,
Asif Mehmood
MCC
Dear Nipon Joshi (NJ),
this is asif from Milwaukee, just wanted to clearify few things that u have mentioned earlier in the blog. First of all, playing from one end was faisal suggestion not mine, he suggested to me and i said okay, i have no problem playing with one end(Mahul was there when this conversation was going on). Faisal will testify that i offered him split the 4 point since the ground condition was, to me, not good enough to play. Specially for the team batting 1st. But faisal wanted to play so i agreed. The bump catch u r talking about, i just thought i was a bump catch. i dint tried to inflence anybody, i was just my thought whick could be wrong. As far as the controversial catch of mateen is concerned, i spoke to Adnan and mahul to get their view and they were not sure as well. I dont know how were u able to see from the boundry line that it was dropped 1-1.5 feet short. I spoke to shakir and he said he was sure he caught it so it my fielder's word. U talked about sledging, i dont know what u are ferering to. i dont see any sledging from both sides during the whole game.
Anyways i an really sorry and appologise to u and UCC on the behalf of MCC if we hurt u or caused u any inconvinence to u guys.
Good Luck to UCC for the rest of the reason.
Speacial Thankx to Faisal, Mahul, Dhiraj and few others for helping us making the field playable.
Regards,
Asif Mehmood
MCC
Is the bloggers game restricted to people who have blogged atleast once in here. There are quite a few in my team who are interested too but i had to discourage them as they have not blogged even once. Let us know so that they can jump in too.
Alpesh,
i don't think there were any mistakes with umpiring. You did a better job than a lot of umpires in this league. thank you for that.
yes the heat was a beech. But the ground was beautiful. Wish I got a chance to bat there. amazing field for batsmen.
Preetam,
I think the "All Star Bloggers" game should definitely include all those bloggers who has been here at least once (Buchia gets disqualified automatically).
But if we cant make 22 ppl for the game, then how do we determine who gets to play?
:-)
Any thoughts?
I agree with Shekhs - Lets give priority to those that post on blogs, then on to the ones that come and read only.
there you go ... my first post! Now do I qualify to play!!!
with all respect to challengers, only those who blog get to play. if we have more than 22 regular bloggers get priority over irregular (tushar, sanjay etc) bloggers. there is nothing against challengers.
asif good job of clarifying. naradji, I mean nj yeh app kya kar rahe ho????? sadiq u made sense.
msa since u r a mystery person your qualification is also a mystery.
So Deep down, did you put your name down for the game?
now I'm curious to find who you are.. :-)
Yep .. Shekhs sir .. I do see some names in the latest list published by Atif, who do not use their names while posting here .. Should they be revealing their identity on the match day ??
Appu,
I think they should keep their secret identity..whats the fun then...we need some anonymous or nick names in here...to entertain us once in a while.. :-)
Unless you are deep down... :-)
no give aways sheks.. i am always a yes for playing:)))
am back. hey guys. i also want play bloggers ball. can u put my name down....
first name - BIG
family name - HITTER
thanking u.
when would this ALl star bloggers game be ?? details guys...
td, cjack, etc
dont forget iit. they were in finals last year. they will b back. aaa also top team. next team jags is with amazing batting. they could upset in2 finals. eagles jr arena madison qckings etc will not make it. good teams but not top. icc and giants will not make playoffs. no chance.
td u shud have stuck 2 aaa. last year they in div 1. this year they back 2 div 2. next year they r back in div 1. year after back 2 div 2. hahahaha.
confushus say: shit happens. get over it. it will happen again. get over it again. it will happen again ...
Big hittter I think you are correct.
sorry shekhs i seemed to have opened a can of worms. I was only curious if some from my team could play too. Gain experience playing with/against the big guns.
I think everybody who is playing the game should play with nick names.
No worries Preetam...matter of fact, thats how it should be done..
Its a game for the bloggers..so lets keep it that way..
The idea is to go out and have fun..nick names are always fun..
I'll go back to my old one - desi babu..
:-)
I think the teams should be called
Tango XI and N_W XI, just as a tribute to the 2 blog warriors..
my $0.02
cjack no offense 2 icc. they r good team but not playing good. it take lot mental strength 2 win all remaining game. if do that will make the playoffs but i not think that happen. maybe another season.
i think 2 teams b called Tariq XI and Jaggi XI. seems 2 generate most buzz on blog this year. :)
So the confusion brought Big Hit out..
i know we want to make this a bloogers day of cricket & fun.
suggestion: May be we can make four teams cause it looks like we will have 48 guys by the time this is all over
Elect 4 captain.. do an on field draft..play 2 20/20 and a 10 overs final...
please send Donald the e-mail.
Lets put a dead line date for entry. If your e-mail is not in you are not play'n.
sheks did you speak to tonald abuot bloggers ball????????
Identity should not be revealed and players should stay anonymous atleast those that elect to stay anonymous.
Shekhs so who am I? your odds of guessing is as good as your chances of growing full set of black hair.
Tango why qualify the color of the hair??? Thou fear he can grow white hair???
Romeen said...
Tonald,
Count me in for the game.
Shekhs, Adi, Rup, you guys are barking up the wrong tree. :)
Woof woof!! :)
cjack no offense 2 icc. they r good team but not playing good. it take lot mental strength 2 win all remaining game. if do that will make the playoffs but i not think that happen. maybe another season.
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Big hitter you are right about this "it take lot mental strength 2 win all remaining game"
And that has been my personal cry about my team.. I am not sure about their MENTAL TOUGHNESS.. but you know what.. we shall all see what we got. Thats why we play the games
So does ICC have the mental toughness...
only time will tell.. Jack.
We have 6 games left to show what we are made of so we have embarked on mission impossible..win 6 in a row
I think its fun knowing u have to win all games left... but only time will tell..
Mastakilla,
Do you know the status of the CCI vs AAA game from Sunday?
Asif_Mehmood said...
Dear Nipon Joshi (NJ),
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Asif no one sledged from either side.. that is a generic term that i used for most team. Second, it has always been fun playing you guys... it is nothing against an individual... few point that are up to addressed: Are umpires suppose to leave their place other than talking to leg umpire during the game and how much of leg umpire views matters in MWCC games? I still remember last year or year previous to that main umpire gave a stumping decision. Talking about the point, performance by a team on a given day matters. We lost a very close game is the fact even though we had the game. You guys played well and your team knew and had a plan to play our bowlers.
Now the Catch : Place where it was taken is not exposed to leg umpire, so how in the world a leg umpire can see, forget about me watching it from outside boundary, second if this is what the situation is how in the world can main umpire give a batsman out after all doubts. Benefits of doubts mostly goes to batsman’s unless MWCC brings in third umpiring eye. “Fielder words do not matter in a decision” Ricky Pointing claiming a catch during one of the series was in controversy as well. Talking about rules umpires are not governed by fielders; it is “The umpire” who takes decision without any influence, they have to be strong mentally and think about pure form of game. At one point we are talking about improving MWCC, good things has to start from all angle and not just the committee.
If we play 100% cricket, we can achieve some standards. Players like you, and many others who have played at certain level can stand up with an example. My apologies if I have hurt you or MCC team member, this is all in spirit of game.
Good luck to MCC, see you all in playoff with more competitive environment.
Had a long day, kept me away from blogging... spice it up
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Alpesh said...
No probs with playing on one side of the wicket ... if this gets added to the MWCC rules This April ... we had almost 7-8 hour umpiring session .. where it was clearly mentioned about this part ... match needs to be played on both sides of wicket unless otherwise mentioned in the league rules ...
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That was one of the problems I had with the training session actually - I thought at times it was too pedantic and theoretical, and didnt take into account that this is club cricket, not international :-) Id rather have a training manual from, say, good club cricket in England (where it is very organized and they have lots of rain etc), they would probably suit us better. (The other problem I had, BTW, was with the umpiring test.. a test which had 4 separate questions on how to determine number of runs scored if a fielder *deliberately kicks the ball over the boundary*, and *NOT A SINGLE QUESTION* on how to determine if a batsman is actually out LBW! The basics are more important to teach at this level, not pedantic stuff you may come across once every 10 years of actual umpiring, which is probably only good for international-level umpire-training, if that. IMHO anyway).
For example, I dont actually think its *written in the MCC rules* that our rule is different for trees on the ground. The insistance at the training session was that, for any obstruction within the playing area, there are *only two options permitted* - either you can be caught off the obstruction (tree), or else as soon as it strikes it its a boundary. We dont play that way - and still dont (on Sunday in Milwaukee we didnt, for example). There are like 9 trees on the playing field in Milwaukee, a few of them well inside the playing area - it makes *no* logical sense to use only those two rules IMHO. In international or fc cricket it does - they rarely have trees in a field, when they do (as at Kent), its one tree right on the edge of the bounday, which is quaint and gives the ground "character". They dont have, like at Lindsay Park for eg, a tree 30 yards from the bat at square leg - one of a dozen trees in the field! We have to use our own common-sense rules (even if sometimes they arent written into the MCC laws - like, for eg, I dont know if this is). But it probably should be written in, I agree.
c8w
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Alpesh said...
Also I am not saying not to play ... but I don't think it would had been impossible to correct the damaged area ... It will take time and effort .. but if you want to play real cricket .............. Again in case of travelling matches .. host teams should visit the ground early in the day to check the status of the ground (in case of rains) .. this would apply to even Chicago based teams if they are hosting out of chicago teams ...
This reminds me to thank Ajoy (Arena) for checking the St Louis ground as early as 6:30 AM on our match day with Arena ... Sorry for missing this earlier ..
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Note, this was already done - Asif and Shakir had actually come to the ground on Saturday and worked on the ground for a couple of hours IIRC. And they had covered the pitch because of forecast of overnight rain too (pitch is covered only in forecast of rain in Milwaukee, not all the time - because covers get stolen if theyre there all the time. Another way we're different from Lord's here, for example :-)
Milwaukee plays on a clay pitch, not concrete - water is retained by it, cant be brushed off. And it has to dry before you can roll it and play on it. And there is a slight slope to the ground, so its more on one side than the other.
By 1pm after lots of work on the ground by hosts Milwaukee and some United guys too, the conditions were very good. The weather was perfect for cricket. The outfield was perfect for cricket. The pitch had dried and was in pretty good shape IMHO (I totally disagree with Nipun's view that it wasnt - Ive umpired plenty in Milwaukee, it was a little slower than usual, but thats all. He probably isnt used to how difficult it can be to bat and how low the scores are in general.. the last 4 games in Milwaukee, note, have total 45-over scores of 91 allout, 92/3, 99 allout, 132 allout, 125 allout, 107 allout and 101 allout - the last 2 inns in this match). One side runup was in perfect shape (didnt even require work, it had dried completely by 1pm).
The *only problem* by 1pm was one side runup. The clay was retaining some water, it was soft - if you walked on it your foot sunk down into it and left a mark. We tried couple buckets of mulch on it (that Mehul went and brought), and then rolling it. Then putting a tarp on it, and a 2nd matting on top, then rolling again.. but the footing for fast bowlers was still not good enough to play on. This was at 1pm of a 10am official-start game - everything else was ready to play, just this one runup wasnt.. and to dry it might well have taken a couple hours, you cant really speed that process up, it depends on the sun.
I dont like playing on one side - in several years Ive only done it a handful of times (never for silly things like "it saves time" either :-) But Iam not an extremist about this, not at club level. We all pay (in time, sweat and money) to play cricket here for the love of the game, this isnt professional cricket where you get paid for it. Priority one, IMHO, should be to try and actually *play* a game if at all possible. In this instance Iam personally convinced playing one side was just fine, and Id make the same decision again. (I wouldnt force anyone to play only one side, however - but with both captains enthusiastic to start immediately and happy to play only one side since there was no other option.. I had no problem with it at all).
c8w
P.S. The most "extreme" conditions Ive umpired in, probably, was early this year, the Springfield-Eagles game. Weather was beautiful,pitch was beautiful.. but there had been a tornado nearby the previous evening. At least 30% of the outfield had standing water by 2pm.. by which I mean, if the ball was hit in that 30% of the field, you couldnt run and field it, you had to pick up your pants, walk gingerly there, pick up the ball and throw it in..and your socks would be wet doing it. At 2pm I went with both capts to the middle, a formality before basically calling it off. But the host Springfield captain, before I could say anything, offered the Eagles that he would play if they wanted to - it was their decision. The Eagles decided they wanted to play too!
The conditions were not good at all - I have a bad rep of not calling games off, but that game even I was going to call off :-) If I was umpiring a test match or fc game, it would be laughable to even imagine playing, captains opinions are irrelevant. But this is club cricket in the US midwest - where you pay to get 14 games in a year (of which 2-3 are rained out), drive 6+ total hours during that one day to play in Springfield. The authority is the umpires', the decision is mine and mine alone - I can call off the game if I want to. But Iam sorry, when two teams are *so* eager to play a game of club cricket, Iam not going to be a stick-in-the-mud and say "no, I aint umpiring, we're driving home" :-) The conditions might not be fit for man or beast - but both teams were eager and willing, and the conditions (while bad) were identical for both teams. We started about 2:30 and played 25-overs-a-side, and got a full game in. If thats a cricketing sin in the ICC book, its a sin I think all 23 of us that day would have happily committed again :-)
Sadiq i liked the idea of one checking the pitch and out field early if weather does show signs of rain: just the way Asif and Shakir did previous night on saturday. Something has to be done on outfield as well. After all we pay to clubs and MWCC to have decent game on a playable ground and not on a field where ball does not travel even 15 - 30 yard after hitting it hard. If I have to play one sided i can even play for free while it is raining in a parking lot with few friends. By having such grounds it is just distroying a natural game. The way a team or a batsman can score is hitting in air.
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NJ said...
Something has to be done on outfield as well. After all we pay to clubs and MWCC to have decent game on a playable ground and not on a field where ball does not travel even 15 - 30 yard after hitting it hard. If I have to play one sided i can even play for free while it is raining in a parking lot with few friends. By having such grounds it is just distroying a natural game. The way a team or a batsman can score is hitting in air.
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Again, in extreme conditions I have no problem with playign one side in club cricket - I dont see it as comparable to playing in the parking lot while its raining. But we just have different opitions there I guess.
As for outfield - the outfield in Milwaukee is typically pretty decent, Ive been there a few times last year and a couple times this year, and its always been cut and pretty decent in terms of ball travelling along the ground. This week happened to be bad in terms of outfield... but again, there are reasons for it. They pay their city to get it cut too, and it does get cut - the city sends out a guy on a John Deere who goes around and cuts it presumably. But this week it rained a lot for most of the week.. and when it rains, the ground underfoot is too soft for a John Deere to ride around and cut the grass. Hence this week the grass ended up not cut at all (note, the Milwaukee United vs Wildcats game was at the same ground on Saturday and ended up being washed out - we were actually lucky to get a game in at all with the rain this week). In non-professinoal cricket this sometimes happens - if its not happening on a regular basis thats all one can ask for, and it hasnt happened on a regular basis from what I have seen. (Same as in Washington Park - its cut regularly every week nowadays, but if it happens to rain all week, they wont be able to cut it on Friday. Same with any ground anywhere in club cricket, really).
c8w
TD
AAA vs CCI
AAA pulled out another remarkable victory, Despite being 24 for 6 in only the eigth over.
Munaf & Yusuf played very patiently but Asif was more severe striking 3 huge sixes.
CCI started extremely well with Opener Martins blasting away. At the break CCI were in control at 102 for 3.
However Man of the match Asif stepped up and claimed 4 for 7 and Adam 3 for 14.
Can anyone from CCI please update us on the condition of Praveen who had to be taken to hospital during the game.
Praveen was hit in the eye going for a catch
Tango man....
Ab aayega asli mazaa..
I'm glad you're back..
So, you dont think I stand a chance huh..know what...these days Rogaine is becoming very effective..I might grow some hair back...
Seriously, you call me in the afternoon to tell me that you aint Tango....c'mon now...and that Tango blogged something about my hair..
Thanks for the patronage....
:-)
The authority is the umpires', the decision is mine and mine alone - I can call off the game if I want to..con't..
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it would be laughable to even imagine playing, captains opinions are irrelevant...con't
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Finger i don't want to sound like i am picking on you but ya got another rule wrong again....
The captains opinion does have a say...
The rule is if both captains agree to play the game in conditions not 100 % whether it be light or ground conditions the game will start/contine. The only time an unpire can call the game off is if he feel that the condition prevail than can cause injury to the players though the captains want to play.
Although we had a bad part both teams know that they had to stop and walk in that piece to pick up the ball so i would let the game play if the captains wanted to, if similar situations occur in the future.
About the Springfield/Eagles game. It was too marvellous a day to not play cricket. Also we had driven a long way for the game. The Sringfield players and the Eagles team did a lot of prep work before we started the game. As usual Sadiq was giving us instructions on how to mend the ground.
There were innumerable discussions before the game started. Lot of things taken into consideration. Possible injury as well. So it was not some daredevil attitude to play at any cost. I remember both me and the other captain agreed to call off the game after 3 overs if the ground would cause injury.
Kudos to the springlfield team for their sporting spirit. Especially their captain.
My take is that we have so few games as it is, why not play everytime we have a slight oppurtunity.
FingerOfDeath said
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As for outfield - the outfield in Milwaukee is typically pretty decent, Ive been there a few times last year and a couple times this year, and its always been cut and pretty decent in terms of ball travelling along the ground. This week happened to be bad in terms of outfield... but again, there are reasons for it. They pay their city to get it cut too, and it does get cut - the city sends out a guy on a John Deere who goes around and cuts it presumably.
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Contradicting statement on outfield: if the ground has been pretty decent, low scoring games are because of what?
They pay to the city: can you clarify who pays to the city, MCC or MWCC. Who is responsible spend?
The ground underfoot: I am talking about just a regular grass cutter similar to one that we use at Washington Park not a bulldozer. If underfoot is too soft than why at first place game happened.
Bias situation and that is what I was talking about before the game started.
I want to make a point to all who are representing management and to all players. If we pay we deserver better condition. MISCA has better practice facilities than MWCC and guess what their membership fee to play in conference is $800 -$900. "Are we paying too much for conditions that we are playing in?"
I completely agree with you Preetam....Unfortunatelyl for us, we didn't even get that slight opportunity.....4 rained out games!!! :)
We aren't playing at international level. Even if we can play from one side, why not do it? After all, we have only few months to play. Before we realize it, the season gets over :)
Samir_RoyalsCC
NJ,
Whats MISCA? Michigan league?
900 bucks ?? seriously for the entire season?
how about the # of games and the quality of teams?
Please let us know..
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NJ said...
Contradicting statement on outfield: if the ground has been pretty decent, low scoring games are because of what?
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Um. Because the pitch is low-scoring in general? Its a clay pitch, the ball grips and turns more than in Chicago, teams arent used to play good spin on helpful tracks? The outfield the couple times Ive been there this year has been fine - if a ball is hit well, it can go to the boundary (not as good as Hammond in terms of outfield, but then nothing is - as good as Hanover, maybe).
Note, the one team that did well with the bat in Milwaukee in the last 4 games was the Challengers, who chased 91 and made 92/3 in 13 overs. They hit 5 fours in those 13 overs, which isnt a bad proportion - presumably the outfield wasnt awful that day (this Sunday 7 fours were hit all day, in 80 overs).
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NJ said:
They pay to the city: can you clarify who pays to the city, MCC or MWCC. Who is responsible spend?
The ground underfoot: I am talking about just a regular grass cutter similar to one that we use at Washington Park not a bulldozer. If underfoot is too soft than why at first place game happened.
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Hey, I dont know who pays what - I just presume someone pays, because nobody cuts grass for free :-) And the grasscutter at WP is what Iam talking about.. if it rains on Thursday and rains on Friday, city guy wont cut on Thursday and Friday because its too soft to drive the John Deere those days - thats not hard to see. Saturday too it rained, scheduled match was called off. City grasscutters arent going to come out on Sunday to cut grass, they arent idiots to waste a summer Sunday like us :-) By Sunday the ground underfoot was definitely *not* too soft to play on (or even cut) - youre not saying you thought the outfield was soft on Sunday, are you? Cos it most definitely wasnt! (And youve been playing in Chicago a long time Nippy - you really mean to tell me youve never seen a heavier outfield than this Sunday? Cos I have, often - very often. The Illinois/Evanston game a year ago that I umpired had a twice-as-heavy outfield Id guess - for similar reasons. Last year in general Evanston's outfield was about this high IMHO - because they have a sprinker system, the field is used for soccer, and they will only cut on Tuesdays, not end of week, its the city's decision. But they still play 10+ games at Evanston every year).
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NJ said:
Bias situation and that is what I was talking about before the game started.
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Huh? What biased situation? That the outfield is too heavy to play because you cant drive a all-along-the-ground four.. so you shouldnt play at all? I dont even remember this argument being used actually.. but I wouldnt accept it anyway, not in Chicago (literally *dozens* of games Ive umpired have been far far heavier outfields than this - until a few years ago Washington Park regularly had a worse outfield than this. Much much worse thru the 90s, for sure, when they hardly ever cut grass. Just because conditions arent perfect you dont sit at home).
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NJ said:
I want to make a point to all who are representing management and to all players. If we pay we deserver better condition. MISCA has better practice facilities than MWCC and guess what their membership fee to play in conference is $800 -$900. "Are we paying too much for conditions that we are playing in?"
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Thats a different matter, to be taken up with other people :-) But really league fees are dependent on expenses where you are - how cooperative city peopla and park districts are etc. Besides, we play higher-level cricket than MISCA on the field.. maybe we're paying more to be able to play against higher-level talent ;-) And not all of Detroits ground are better BTW.. one ground has major league "hills" for instance (Lyons East I think), so much so that the bowler can see the fielder at short-third-man only from about chest-upwards, the rest of him vanishes behind the hill! (Of course, they are loaded with money as a league in Detroit, and are supposedly going to bulldoze and even everything out this offseason - thats a different matter. As of the moment, however, we're lucky to have mostly flattish surfaces for our grounds at least - not everyone around the midwest and in the US is that lucky).
c8w
Finger said -
"Hey, I dont know who pays what - I just presume someone pays, because nobody cuts grass for free :-) "
FYI: In SPringfield, the Park distt pays, maintains (includes weekly grass cutting and miscellaneous maint.) the ground without charging a penny...
This goes back to your point as to where you're playing and how much you need to pay to play..
A place like springfield, we just have to pay for the balls, umpires and other miscellaneous expenses..
so maybe that $900 mark..
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Shekhs said...
Whats MISCA? Michigan league?
900 bucks ?? seriously for the entire season?
how about the # of games and the quality of teams?
Please let us know..
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Sheks - MISCHCA is I believe the Michigan league, they broke up a couple years ago into MISCHA and GLCC (Great Lakes Cricket Conference). GLCC is Nabeel Ahmed's league - Nabeel is Vice President of USACA after the last election.
Ive spoken to the GLCC people and know a fair bit about their league. They have about 15-16 teams, play 40 overs, white ball and colored clothing cricket.
The GLCC league provides the balls (so does ours). GLCC also provides uniforms to every player (colored ones, obviously). They pay their umpires 100 bucks a game (we pay 75).. and they have TWO UMPIRES FOR EVERY GAME! (ie their umpiring cost per game is 200 bucks, compared to our 75). Their league fees per team are $1200.00 per year. (This used to be 500 the first year, it was raised now - however, they said, their deal with University or student teams still is.. "you raise what you can, and thats your fee", its not set at 1200 for student teams). GLCC also conducts a inter-university tournament for a few days.. thats apparently free for the teams involved.
GLCC has 5 umpires this year from India - current first-class BCCI certified umpires (TMT, one of them, conducted our umpire training session this year; Radhakrishnan, another one, umpired 7 Ranji games last year, and was "4th umpire" for India vs Australia 6th ODI at Nagpur last October - the one where Symonds got a ton). These 5 umpires have been flown in on GLCC expense from India, there is an apartment for them paid for the whole summer where they live, they get paid for umpiring etc all week, they will be flown back when season ends. All paid for by the league.
And, as I said above, they charge 1200 per team. So how in heck do they do it? Sponsorships, thats how - they have *hugely massive* amounts of money pouring in in sponsorships every year.
c8w
Just an addendum to Atif's post..
Event: All Star Blogger's Game
Event Date: Saturday August 9th
Event Time: 6pm to 11pm
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Event Venue : Community Park, Hanover Park.
Thanks Finger..appreciate that..
Event: All Star Blogger's
Event Date: Saturday August 9th
Event Time: 6pm to 11pm
Event Location: Hanover Park (Night Game)
Participation Confirmation Deadline: Monday July 28th, 2008 (Email confirmation to me)
So Sadiq after all this info are you planning to go for ICC certification, you can do it.
Best Ground: Hanover, St. Louis are one of the best grounds.
Worst Ground: Peoria, Milwaukee same issue (Grass and trees)
Challenger scoring 92 in 13 overs.. how many of them knows to hit it along the ground. I do not remember anyone after Sheetal.
After all we pay to clubs and MWCC to have decent game on a playable ground and not on a field where ball does not travel even 15 - 30 yard after hitting it hard.
NJ, I suggest you give up playing cricket in Chicago then. All the Chicago grounds I can think of - WP, Han P, Her P, etc are exactly like that. Any hard shot barely crosses the 30 yard circle on the ground!! :)
The way a team or a batsman can score is hitting in air.
... which brings you full circle as to why spinners do well in Div 1. There aren't that many stumpings or bowled or lbw all put together as there are catches. And I'd guess most of them at the boundaries!
NJ Hammond ground is great hit it on the ground and you are going to get 4...
So Finger its fair to conclude our league is POORLY ran..
thanks
Div 1 should play at Hammond, IN ground ... They will then know what a great outfield the ground has ...
nj,
I disagree.
Best grounds: SL, Springfield, Madison.
Worst grounds: Milw - but only because it has trees in the playing aread, otherwise I quite like the ground. Definitely not Peoria - if it is the same one that we played Peoria CC, I completely disagree. Heritage Park - by far the worst ground. Nothing like trying to field the ball and picking up goose crap!!!
Maybe they need to schedule United (Nippy) to play on Heritage Park a few times. Specially after rain!!! :)
WP once dries out is still the best grounds I have played on so far in MCC.
I was ther last Sunday and the grounds look beautiful..well cut and firm and I know you did not have to hit it in the air for boundries.
Hammond is ok but not as good as WP.
NJ, Peoria has Trees now..since when..last time i was there in April this year there was not bushes much less trees in site?
and the good news of how well MCC is run continues to make headlines.
Sponsorship is the only way out of paying high fees but they way we do things do not allow for sponsor's to give us a few bucks.
ICC gets sposorships and the income is used for things like.
Outfits at subsidise cost to members and families.
Allows for lower or no fees for members under financial stress.
Free memebership for students and all under 19.
Cost of Food for hosting of teams and ICC events.
these are the main points addressed in our letter for charitable help.
MCC can obtain funds if the Market along a startegy as this which i don't think is happening.
After all we pay to clubs and MWCC to have decent game on a playable ground and not on a field where ball does not travel even 15 - 30 yard after hitting it hard. If I have to play one sided i can even play for free while it is raining in a parking lot with few friends. By having such grounds it is just distroying a natural game. The way a team or a batsman can score is hitting in air.
I will make a request to the management team. Please put up a proposal demanding that the City of Chicago pay for a new stadium or we will take our leauge elsewhere! Shall we call it Chinnaswamy, or Chidambaram, or rather Vidarbha C. A. Ground or even Sardar Patel Stadium??
Be realistic. It is too late to discuss "destroying the natural game", "hitting in the air to score" concepts. We are well past that for pretty much every single ground we play on!
Adi,
on fire..some one get the cooler and cool him off..
then again let the man fire cause not we don't see him doin this frequently.
I have a feeling NJ is a poker, a pusher and loves a Lords field or he in trouble for runs..
sorry NJ we ain't got the monies to enable well cut and rolled grounds.
Aditya said...
NJ, I suggest you give up playing cricket in Chicago then. All the Chicago grounds I can think of - WP, Han P, Her P, etc are exactly like that. Any hard shot barely crosses the 30 yard circle on the ground!! :)
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When someone is talking about betterment of cricket and ground are you are encouraging them to stop playing cricket. Have you Aditya gone crazy or you are just in MWCC to play at any cost. If you fee that you can do something good in this cricket conference, you have to start talking about bad things.
“Any hard shot barely crosses the 30 yard circle on the ground!!”: than you have not played enough in MWCC or it is just your style of playing cricket. A 15 year old cricketer can hit along the ground at WP and hit a four. Let me remind you of St. Louis and its out field.
Well you only brought Heritage Park and goose crap!! In a way you agree that our grounds are not at it best. I guess you need to stop talking both way, be on a side were you can make a difference or just do not talk.
Rup Peoria does not have trees.. Milwaukee does.
Grounds are only decent to play on if they are well cut and has better outfield. I have not seen much of a difference on any of our grounds in last 4-5 years, they are the same. No one has gone to city and talked about improving outfield in WP. We still have pot holes, come to Aurora and check the ground a major difference from what it was when it was inaugurated by Greg Chappell and what it is now.
LOOK WITH YOUR OWN EYS AND COMPARE IT WITH MWCC: money that it collects from team.
People who are managing Aurora ground have done hack of a good job.
NJ, What is wrong with you? y r u so crying baby. Looks like you taking over your captain !!!!
Game is over and don't try to get any sympathy from other te4am, this is cricket. Some one wins and other loose. very simple.
If i may...
A lot of the leagues like MICHA are run by guys with monies. They pretty much dump a lot of monies in their league..their league..
Some are probably president for life.
Or work for big companies and have a say on charitable donations.
As far as i know the guys that run our league don't afford to do the same so we have to make contacts with rich people or companies. And work with the small companies where we will get small donations but every dollar helps.
If you know of any girl or girls that is looking for escort service - then I am willing to offer my services and will donate all income to MWCC for ground improvement.
I charge per lbs and anything under 125lbs gets a preferrential rate and anything over 150 is 49.99 per lbs.
In a way you agree that our grounds are not at it best. I guess you need to stop talking both way, be on a side were you can make a difference or just do not talk.
Nipun, now you are just sounding like a baby who didn't get the lollypop flavour he wanted! Chill out a little and listen to what is being said.
1. The reality is that none of our grounds have a very good outfield. Some better, some worse, but in general it just ain't that good.
2. We play club cricket in the US where cricket as a sport is barely even on the map. We play on concrete pitches, not even proper pitches. Lets keep that in mind.
3. We play on grounds that are shared for football (soccer), frisby, softball, etc.
4. Of all the things that need to be cleaned up, I think grounds are of a lower priority. There are a number of other items that the management team need to / are addressing first.
5. Aurora manages ONE ground. Of course it should be pretty decent. Our league manages over 10 grounds. Resources are less when you spread them out.
6. I am not against you, or with you. I just think you bringing up pitches and grounds was more about your loss than about the actual ground. If you had won, I'm not sure we would have heard the same from you. Otherwise, I would have expected you to bring out the "Grounds" discussion earlier, since very little changes on the grounds.
And finally, I actually am quite impressed with the grounds this year compared to the last few years. The grass is regularly cut. The pitch is pretty decent. The run-ups aren't too bad. And a major positive is the clearly marked boundaries, 30 yard circle, and 15 yard circles. Kudos to the management team for this, because it has helped quite a bit. Is there more they could do yes, but props on doing this much. I also heard that there are a number of pitches getting some nice new SL-like astro turf, which will be a welcome addition.
Have an ice-cream. It should help you chill out. Maybe you'll get the flavour you want too!! :)
Adi,
on fire..some one get the cooler and cool him off..
then again let the man fire cause not we don't see him doin this frequently.
Rup, maybe a few cold ones this weekend, or on Monday after our game will help! Funnily enough, it's against United, so I expect a few bouncers from Nippy, if I last that long at the crease that is!! :)
Aditya said...
Nipun, now you are just sounding like a baby who didn't get the lollypop flavour he wanted! Chill out a little and listen to what is being said.
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I had most flavour that i wanted as a kid and talking about ice cream.. i have it almost everyday.. so it is not for you to tell me what i need to do.. just give you view and take a chill pill..
Are you lobbying? What for?
Wow...pretty interesting afternoon..
Adi,
"Nothing like trying to field the ball and picking up goose crap!!!
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Thats was hilarious...or maybe we just need some cricket to play with geese crap.. :-)
You are on fire!!!
Lol tonald..escort service?
I hear you man...the blog's gone berserk with grounds..
maybe a lil distraction will help..
By the way Adii need to get Week 12 predictions going..
TP
Yo Nj, you dont like challengers much do ya?
what did we do to piss you off bud?
TD,
Escort services..great.. but why ya so expensive on da chunky ones??
Are ya say'n a little heavy ain't good for you..
i think you need to change your marketing strategy on weight cause you may have a bigger market on the chunky side of things.
Don't you know Shekhs, NJ had some bad taste from Challengers so he is trying to get some mental advantage on you guys, but challengers never think from their thick head. So go back to sleep NJ's strategy will never work on you guys. Nice try NJ, but never mind.
Challengers two things that I like about.. Bindas log and second eveyone can bat.. i guess you guys can distroy anyone at any point.. just like faisal... even if you are 1 down or 6 down.. I still remember i guess. bhavesh.. said it "never respect any bowler if you want to bat and score" go for the kill..
Fine at Rup's suggestion I am lowering my per lbs charges to $10.99 for anything over 150lbs.
Rup I am just like airline. You gotta pay up for heavier luggage.
Kidaa ?????
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:) nothing mental here... its pure game who ever plays good wins the game..
lol Tonald..you are on fire now..
hey, do you also provide mileage like airlines do??
Just curious..
alright folk.. enough.. is enough.. kept too many of you busy digging scorebooks, records, stats and what not.. had nothing to do at work so was sparking fire here and their.. TP
Apologies if it went personal.. blogging is fun for real.. good luck to you all in All Star Blogger's Game
If it's very simple, how come your brain is hasitatng to accept the reality that you lost the game and get over with it and prepare for next one.
As long as you understood, that all matter to me, so no more dispute and make some ohter strategy to beat Challengers. May be you bribe Shekhs.
Hey shekhs take bribe from NJ so you guys can chill after game.
Kidaa..
we chill regardless man....bribe or no bribe.. :-)
You are most welcome to join us....so is Nipunya..
And everybody else..
Fellas..how bout this weekend...when all the patels in town will be @ one event..
The Patel Cup!!!
You are all cordially invited for the annual Patel Cup @ Hanover Park..
Challengers Vs. Royals on Sunday - 07/27
Put your fun hats on and come on in...we'll have more cold ones with us than the neighboring 7 eleven..
Shekhs Sir ..
since it is Patel Cup .. I would expect something like Khichdi-kadhi .. bhajiya ... :) Let me know if you have this in menu .. I will be more than willing to join then .. :)
ohh yea .. forgot my favourite undhiyu .. ;)
Why from 7-11? Tell some patels to bring from their stores, will be even more chill.
Will try to join Patel Cup, and I hope you don't mind if I've some, kidding.... You guys are toppers, win or loose nothing effects you guys. I WISH ALL PLAYERS ARE LIKE YOU GUYS. Sorry NJ, but will see you in Patel Cup. Good Luck to both teams for success.
Appu,
Teekhi bhakiri and ondhawa is on the menu..at least thats what was there last year..
Will have to tell rupesh about your demands..
Kidaa yaar...absolutely..you are most welcome to have more..
I'll see you at the game..
Shekhs,
Yes we provide frequent rider points. Unlike airlines. We make satisfaction our top priority.
You guys seem to be having a lot of fun blogging these days.
Anyway, I promised Moe yesterday that I'll announce to the (blogging) world that his team won the MCC-CRY tournament in a sensational fashion (the game was tied and then they beat the Challengers in a one over game).
Happy now, Moe? :)
Atif, do we get to pick a team for the all star blogger's game or do we just get randomized?
I was just checking the player profile and guess whom i did see on Advancer's roster ... Mohd. Azharuddin ... Is it our own India's Azhar ??
He was my favourite cricketer .. Even my first computer account password in college life was azhar :) but then the match-fixing scandal happened ... and he left me heart-broken ...
Romeen,
Random selection can make teams quite lopsided. So street cricket rule for picking teams may not be a bad option here. That means each Captain gets to pick one player each then move on to the next 2 and so on.
We will have a conference call next week to chart out full details for this event. For now we are gathering a final commitment form players that are interested.
Atif, just so you know...I'm a left arm orthodox bowler..
After a coupla beers...I'll be the chinaman..
lol
Blogger's game. I think it will be easier for captains to choose if everybody mentions what their speciality is too. Ex; batsman, fast bowler, Spinner, wicketkeeper etc.
That way we can have a balanced team.
Sadiq has his own category.
Good one Shekhs..
chinaman..be careful cause the chinese may wan a say ya stole their ball since they are getting big in cricket
Imagine a comentator.."Wing Wing Wang.. a chinaman runs up and bowls a chinaman ..and we are lost::))).
I am working on the Doosra for this event.. I have suddenly develop elbow tension and my fast bowling ain't work'n???
That's funny, Shekhs, and I think a tad bit racist :)
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